Wolves den challenge log impossible to achieve?

[Geryth]

I'm trying to burn through PvP to rank to 44 so I can wear the gear for glamour vanity - plus I find PvP entertaining and fun.

So as I'm slowly trudging through the ranks I'm realizing that 1-3 frontlines matches a night is literally going to take many months to get to that rank (especially at the rate that the Twin Adders are losing on Aether). My goal is to get there as fast as possible, with limited time to play. When I say 1-3 frontlines a day, that's about all I'm doing / focusing on when I'm logged in.

So what I've done with leveling and crafting is using the weekly challenge log items to really help buffer the leveling process. Especially since the rewards scale with level, they can really offer a nice boost every week. I hit the Frontlines challenge log items without too much trouble (there's definitely been weeks where I couldn't pull 3 wins - that really sucks!), but for Wolves Den is seems virtually impossible.

I've spent probably around 6+ hours getting in queues for wolves den, and I've only ever played a single wolves den game. I queue for lvl 30, 40, 50 (i80 synched) and check "join party in progress". It always says average wait time is 5 minutes but when I wait I'll get to 45m - 1.5 hours before I leave out of frustration or I wasted all the time I had for the night just sitting in queue and never getting in a game. I really want to utilize that challenge log EXP for wolves, but I can never get in a game. It's always better to just queue for frontlines because they pop within a more palatable 15-40 minutes - and that'll net me more PvP EXP than waiting extra time trying to get in wolves den.

My FC is very casual, and not interested in PvP, and not numerous enough to form 2 parties to trade wins back in forth which seems to be a common practice as I research around. Heck, my entire server (Mateus) seems disinterested in PvP in general. Using party finder and /shouts I can not get anyone interested in even making a premade to just queue as 4.

So what's a good solution for this? I can queue for wolves den 1.5 hours every single night of the week and play 1 wolves den match if I'm lucky. There's a real problem there. Why is Wolves Den so barren (or otherwise non-solo-queue-friendly?)

[zeopower6]

Usually everyone that is queuing will be of varying ranks and will result in longish queues. (as time goes on, the range of ranks that can PvP together is increased)

For challenge log you are pretty much required to PF it or do it within a PvP focused LS. Doing it through DF is NOT advised.

[Buff_Archer]

As for finding other people interested in PVP from your server- I'd suggest searching the Lodestone rankings for Frontlines to see who's playing, and checking the scoreboard at the end of your matches. If there isn't a LS that you're aware of, go ahead and start one. Just finding enough people to get into a WD match is going to be hard for the reasons above, so if it were me I'd invest the time that you'd spent trying to get into WD matches to meet the requirements for the Challenge Log, in doing additional FL matches instead. Personally, I don't really enjoy Slaughter mode, but if I were trying to rank up that's where I'd go.

[aerialrave]

I have 2 blunt pieces of advice to give you upfront that you might not want to hear.
(1) Cheat with Win Trades in Wolves' Den
(2) Drop Adders and switch to another GC

Wolves' Den is completely dead. Cheating with Win Trades is your only hope. I was like you for a little while waiting in long queues. But as time went on, the quality of my fights decreased, the queue length increased, and my patience went down the toilet. Like most people I just gave up trying. It's sad because I was pretty active in Wolves' Den during that period before Frontlines came out, and I met some cool people and there were so many people in my server decked out in those shiny i90 pieces with overmelded materia that I wished I could be like. No one takes it seriously anymore though. Nowadays Wolves' Den is only used for Win Trade cheating and pre-organized events (not random pick up game queues). It doesn't even matter anymore because Frontlines gives way more PVP exp. That's another reason why Wolves' Den died, because the rewards just aren't worth it anymore, especially because of the time wasted in queue. The only reason to even bother with this is because of the Challenge Log.

Forget about playing with your FC, and don't worry about searching for a new one over this either, most FCs are like that anyway with a few people interested in PVP. What you do need to find though is a PVP LS. Sadly Wolves' Den LS'es are virtually non existent either, depending on your server. But you can still find people to play Frontlines with. If you can get 8 Active people in that LS you can start organizing your own Win Trades or even defer to Party Finder to fill in the gaps.

If you're having trouble with Frontlines, I'll tell you straight up right now to quit Adders. Although I'm on a different server, I'm on the same data center as you (Aether) and I'll tell you right now that the Adders scene is completely dead. I'll tell you that I'm not sorry for them at all though, because I remember when Frontlines first came out Adders were winning quite a bit. Now they are on the short end of the stick and Storms are winning all the time. It seems like a ton of people jumped ship from both Adders AND Flames into Storms. Of course the main reason is "front running" / "jump on the bandwagon" for free wins. But I'm sure another genuine reason is because the GC Gear that you can get with Hunt seals just look way nicer in Storms. That may sound strange if you're not into glamour, but objectively speaking most people will tell you that the Storms GC gear looks the nicest and is actually a contributing factor.

I'd hate to tell you to jump on the bandwagon also, but if you want to rank up your PVP this is sadly the fastest way to do it. It's really really sad because if everyone takes this advice, everyone will queue as Storms and the queue will die with no one willing to play for the other teams. If you do decide to do it, don't be discouraged about the GC rank-up grind. It's far less time than all the time you actually wasted in queue for other things like Wolves' Den.

I'm also really sad to tell you there are no real good solutions in sight. This forum is largely ignored even though I've seen some good suggestions here once in a while. It's also quite discouraging to have read this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-not-happening

So there's not much you can do at the moment. The PVP scene in this game is not good right now. And it's quite sad that the expansion probably won't make it any better.

[CeveArthu]

Wolves' Den is completely dead.

Aether has 2 events every week where you can easily get 50-100 matches in, Midgarsormr also has pvp groups running pretty much daily

[PotatoTree]

It would probably be hard to get a queue if he's not already close to 45.

[CeveArthu]

It would probably be hard to get a queue if he's not already close to 45.

Midgardsormr's daily matches are setup to get as near to instaqueues as possible regardless of ranks, its a pretty good system for getting matches, less so for getting hard matches though

[Geryth]

Aether has 2 events every week where you can easily get 50-100 matches in, Midgarsormr also has pvp groups running pretty much daily

Do you know the event details or how to find the information? Maybe my google-foo is off or I'm just dumb but I can't seem to find anything.

Edit: Don't know why I could find this thread the first search: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...lo-queue-event

Looks like they do it every Friday night at 8pm. I'll try that this week.

So I actually found a PvP linkshell and we got 8 players to try to win trade in Wolves Den. We really didn't want to go that route, but it was just a last ditch attempt to get Wolves Den games in for the challenge log. We did all the tricks by evening out the PvP ranks (within 5 points total on both teams), picked an obsure language etc. etc. and after waiting for 15 minutes we just gave up and went back to front lines. So maybe they fixed that but at this point it feels like there's nothing I can do to get the wolves den challenge log completed. Which is a real shame because without those weekly challenge logs it will take me a lot longer to get rank up.

But coming to such a conclusion should tell SE something - PvP has to change because we can't play the game the way it was meant to so getting PvP exp takes longer than what was intended. They need to fix this.

[Xenosan]

SNIP

Did you split your parties based on PVP rank? Won't work if you don't

You have to average everyone's PVP rank level. If the average rank of the two parties is not similar, you won't be matched together.

Grab some paper and pen and math out everyone's rank, split into 2 parties so that your average is close, the queues will be instant.

[Geryth]

Did you split your parties based on PVP rank? Won't work if you don't

You have to average everyone's PVP rank level. If the average rank of the two parties is not similar, you won't be matched together.

Grab some paper and pen and math out everyone's rank, split into 2 parties so that your average is close, the queues will be instant.

We did that, our cumulative PvP ranks were 55 and 59 for each party (was closest it could be). After 15 minutes of the queue not popping we gave up.