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    RylaiBluecrow's Avatar
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    Snow Requiescat
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    About WoD all DPS in stomach.

    I hate the idea.

    When I'm dps i hate going in because i don't wanna get unlucky and killed by Unknown.
    When I'm healer i hate this idea because i don't wanna raise a dead dps flushed out of doggie's belly.
    ((When I'm tank, well it's none of my business. But generally speaking, dead dps = less damage = longer wait = more chance to mess up = potential wipe))

    So yeah.

    And quite frankly, it doesn't really speed up the phase by a whole lot. And alas, wolfsbane will go wild outside of belly.

    Don't have a suggestion or solution to this, but when I'm tanking, I usually go in belly along with many DPS and tank the Unknown while DPS are killing stomach. Might pop a couple CD but it's worth it. No dead DPS, everyone's happy.
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    Last edited by RylaiBluecrow; 05-07-2015 at 06:39 PM.
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    Dijana Menatas
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    All dps is good in theory, except people always seem to just kill the adds in there instead of the stomach walls, I don't know why. Thats when people start dying, should just have a bard bind or blm sleep (if it can be slept? Never been in there as blm) and then everyone ignore it. Or better yet, one tank go in there and grab the adds while the dps kill the walls. Once the walls are down, everyone gets flushed out.

    The idea is just fine, people just never execute it properly
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    Misenklauph Drakkfhur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dijana View Post
    All dps is good in theory, except people always seem to just kill the adds in there instead of the stomach walls, I don't know why. Thats when people start dying, should just have a bard bind or blm sleep (if it can be slept? Never been in there as blm) and then everyone ignore it. Or better yet, one tank go in there and grab the adds while the dps kill the walls. Once the walls are down, everyone gets flushed out.

    The idea is just fine, people just never execute it properly
    regardless of the reason why, if it's very rarely executed properly in pugs, the default maybe should just be Adds Belly Chains.

    I Typically tank, and I will often OT that fight, solely b/c then I know I will be picking up the adds outside. Hopefully at least one healer in my PT stays out to heal me.
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    I wish more tanks were like you also.
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    Jamein Lowel
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    Generally when all DPS go in, you kill the stomach so fast that the adds barely get a chance to do much damage.

    Sounds like a low DPS issue to be honest, I've never really had much of a problem with just having all DPS in there. There are always a few who will stay outside they can kill the adds you don't need a full party on the adds.
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    Etoile Kallera
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    As long as some party goes in I don't care. I'll do either, but I get more of a kick fighting Cerberus.
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    Rihael Eden
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    The method only really works for groups with high DPS. In which case everyone goes in, causes indigestion, and goes out before any Unknowns can even do anything. Similar to how tanks pull south in Garuda-HM.
    In low or average DPS groups, it either doesn't make much difference, or causes more problems which slow things down more than doing stuff the "normal" way.

    There really is no solution. Best you can do is just.. the best you can do to try and make a run go as smoothly as you can. No regrets.
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    Eros Maxima
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    The Unknown is such a problem when you have a bad 3rd off tank... which is pretty often. There are some decent work arounds, however. The Unknowns are susceptible to CC mechanics. As BRD, for example, I can Bind them if I need to. I rarely get to go in when I'm SCH though, since I tend to be in MT group, so I can't remember if Miasma II heavy works on them.

    Most WoD groups I get in are all in DPS. It usually works out well, maybe 1 dead DPS on average while in the belly, since its normal that a tank doesn't follow (which they should have done). I'm noticing more often though that at least one of the OTs will be good about picking up Wolfsbane adds... which is more important at least. Good on you to head in when you tank, as it does help reduce problems... I'm hoping the other OT is picking up the adds outside though lol.
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    T'erra Branford
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    Haven't seen any issues with this method since well before loot lock was removed.
    Whats so awful about tossing a swiftcast raise at the one guy who might die?
    These fights are not so rough that you should be hurting for mana at that point.
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    Lelane Lavellan
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    I've had people assign different alliances to different tasks. A focuses on adds, B does belly duty, C does the chains. Then the whole of B would go in, including the tank and healers.
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Why not just do "all DPS + 1 tank"? There's no point having 2 off-tanks outside. Is there a reason why both off-tanks would remain outside?

    In the JP data center it's always party A in the stomach. The JP data center generally have the safer and more straight-forward strategies as the standard, it seems.
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