Results 1 to 10 of 191

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Stjevne's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    26
    Character
    Ligfyr Redsword
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Higashikata View Post
    Totally missing the point that FF has always been story driven
    Why does it bother you that people play FF games for a different reason?

    Quite frankly, the first few FF games had some of the most unapologetically generic stories, and the rest were received poorly by many people who aren't invested in the franchise (and even those who are. See: every argument about what the best/worst FF games are).

    There are a lot of people who would prefer to play this game without the chore of doing the MSQ, and the possibility of stifling subscription numbers by disallowing people from doing the content that all of their friends are playing by forcing them to slog through something they don't want to do is a poor decision for everyone involved. You're only hurting yourself in the long run.
    (1)

  2. #2
    Player
    Cyrus-Wallace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    The Mists
    Posts
    1,357
    Character
    Lucille Wallace
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Stjevne View Post
    Snip
    I think the issue is not people playing this game for different reasons but complaining about this game for being a story-driven MMO and locking content out behind it. Like, it's a Final Fantasy game and they take a different development course compared to other MMOs or so they try. This idea of locking out content behind the expansion is nothing new at all. People are free to skip every cs and finish the MSQ in no time. I wouldn't care, it's their choice. But if you don't like the story, that's up to you, now asking the dev team to remove the condition of finishing the main story because you (And I don't mean specially "you") don't like it or you think it's tedious, it's a different thing.

    Heck, it's not like they don't receive anything by doing the MSQ post Praetorium! Maybe it's not a smooth transition but we don't even know if the MSQ quests will be adjusted to give experience as well! They also unlock several trials and dungeons that will be still useful post 50. The new guys will complain if they need to. No need to be a white knight for a thing that we don't know if it will be an issue. It's silly. Now it brings me back memories... I remember didn't like to level up a different class in WoW when WotLK was out because I was unable to create a Death Knight if I didn't have a level 50+ character... but you know what? the reward for all these efforts was to play the class I liked. Ya, I didn't like it back then, but that was the dev's team decision and I learned to respect that. If people want to act like an spoiled kid because they didn't get the job they wanted as they started this game, I'm so sorry...

    Finally, all the content behind the Ishgard gates are intended for level 50+ characters. Even the most lame monster will one-shot you if you go with a lowbie. Even Yoshi-p said the expansion will hold more "world danger", so all the previous content comes in preparation for that.
    (5)
    Last edited by Cyrus-Wallace; 05-12-2015 at 10:51 AM.

  3. #3
    Player
    Tuathaa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    278
    Character
    Yaelle Portelaine
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace View Post
    Now it brings me back memories... I remember didn't like to level up a different class in WoW when WotLK was out because I was unable to create a Death Knight if I didn't have a level 50+ character....
    Bad analogy. Imaging if you had to do every quest in every area in Kalmidor, Eastern Kingdoms, Outland and the associated dungeons and raids with the story. Then get to level 70 and go to Northrend to start a DK.

    I really enjoy the msq but after doing 2.0 to 2.55 one right after another I found myself not caring about it as much. It was designed to do over time as it was released and not one right after the other which is how people are going to be doing it now. There is a lot that can be pruned with out ruining the integrity of the story to speed it up.
    I am not suggesting removing the ilvl requirements or event the trials.
    (1)
    Last edited by Tuathaa; 05-12-2015 at 11:25 AM.

  4. #4
    Player
    SDaemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,489
    Character
    Koala Shibito
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuathaa View Post
    Bad analogy. Imaging if you had to do every quest in every area in Kalmidor, Eastern Kingdoms, Outland and the associated dungeons and raids with the story. Then get to level 70 and go to Northrend to start a DK.
    That is a very horrible comparison if you are trying to compare it to having to complete the MSQ for access to HW content. The sheer number of quests in difference between XIV's MSQ and WoW 3 continents worth of quests is tremendous!
    (2)

  5. #5
    Player
    Tuathaa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    278
    Character
    Yaelle Portelaine
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    That is a very horrible comparison if you are trying to compare it to having to complete the MSQ for access to HW content. The sheer number of quests in difference between XIV's MSQ and WoW 3 continents worth of quests is tremendous!
    Actually it is a fair comparison and it is exactly what you are asking new players to do. Basically to get to level 50 and to do the msq you are going to be doing every quest available and even after reaching 50 you are put on hold until you do a lot of extra stuff. Until you do those things you will be unable to utilize any of the new expansion that a new player just purchased with the exception on the new race.
    At least with WoW you were not forced to do anything other than meet the level requirements so you can skip content. With SE's plan there will be no skipping.
    (1)
    Last edited by Tuathaa; 05-12-2015 at 11:33 AM.

  6. #6
    Player
    SDaemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,489
    Character
    Koala Shibito
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    How is comparing 100 quests to thousands even remotely the same? Azshara's quest achievement alone has as many quests as the Astral story-line and its just 1 zone on just 1 of the 3 continents you are comparing it to!

    Basically to get to level 50 you do the main story line, a few dungeons and a hand full of the many side quests if needed. If you do every quest in the game on top of running a dungeon for the first time and the MSQ you are over-killing by leaps and bounds.

    Once you hit 50 you have 100 story quests that can be completed very quickly. The only time consuming parts to the Astral story line are the few dungeons and trials you have to do, and its not even close to all the dungeons and trials available in the game.

    Your comparison was horrible, its like comparing a lake to the ocean. Yeah, they are both bodies of water but the sheer size difference is enormous.
    (4)
    Last edited by SDaemon; 05-12-2015 at 11:40 AM.

  7. #7
    Player
    Tuathaa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    278
    Character
    Yaelle Portelaine
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Basically to get to level 50 you do the main story line, a few dungeons and a hand full of the many side quests if needed.
    The main story line, a few dungeons and a hand full of side quest will not get you to 50. The 2.0-2.4 msq will not get you to ilevel 90 which you need for 2.55.
    My comparisson is about as preposterous as yours thinking its all easy peasy for a new player to attaint that which took you 2yrs
    (0)