2.55 Main Scenario Requirement.

**Dualblade** · 05-12-2015 06:39 AM

Assumedly all the story quests between 2.1-2.55 will be giving exp come expansion, it would be kind of wierd if they didn't at that point. They don't right now because there would be no point to it since we are at cap when we did them/are doing them right now. Still my personal opinion that by SoF new players would about lvl 53 which would be about equivilent with ilvl 90, with gear that should be around that level and most importantly, base stats that have increased which can make a good bit of difference.

**Higashikata** · 05-12-2015 06:43 AM

I like how this clown, he's funny. Totally missing the point that FF has always been story driven, that MMOs have gear treadmills and quest content. I bet he'd be one of the folks who would complain about the inclusion of average item level if he played back then.

He just ignores 99% of arguments against his point and chooses to focus on the 1% he can insult.

**Stjevne** · 05-12-2015 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Higashikata

Totally missing the point that FF has always been story driven

Why does it bother you that people play FF games for a different reason?

Quite frankly, the first few FF games had some of the most unapologetically generic stories, and the rest were received poorly by many people who aren't invested in the franchise (and even those who are. See: every argument about what the best/worst FF games are).

There are a lot of people who would prefer to play this game without the chore of doing the MSQ, and the possibility of stifling subscription numbers by disallowing people from doing the content that all of their friends are playing by forcing them to slog through something they don't want to do is a poor decision for everyone involved. You're only hurting yourself in the long run.

**Cyrus-Wallace** · 05-12-2015 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Stjevne

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I think the issue is not people playing this game for different reasons but complaining about this game for being a story-driven MMO and locking content out behind it. Like, it's a Final Fantasy game and they take a different development course compared to other MMOs or so they try. This idea of locking out content behind the expansion is nothing new at all. People are free to skip every cs and finish the MSQ in no time. I wouldn't care, it's their choice. But if you don't like the story, that's up to you, now asking the dev team to remove the condition of finishing the main story because you (And I don't mean specially "you") don't like it or you think it's tedious, it's a different thing.

Heck, it's not like they don't receive anything by doing the MSQ post Praetorium! Maybe it's not a smooth transition but we don't even know if the MSQ quests will be adjusted to give experience as well! They also unlock several trials and dungeons that will be still useful post 50. The new guys will complain if they need to. No need to be a white knight for a thing that we don't know if it will be an issue. It's silly. Now it brings me back memories... I remember didn't like to level up a different class in WoW when WotLK was out because I was unable to create a Death Knight if I didn't have a level 50+ character... but you know what? the reward for all these efforts was to play the class I liked. Ya, I didn't like it back then, but that was the dev's team decision and I learned to respect that. If people want to act like an spoiled kid because they didn't get the job they wanted as they started this game, I'm so sorry...

Finally, all the content behind the Ishgard gates are intended for level 50+ characters. Even the most lame monster will one-shot you if you go with a lowbie. Even Yoshi-p said the expansion will hold more "world danger", so all the previous content comes in preparation for that.

**Tuathaa** · 05-12-2015 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Now it brings me back memories... I remember didn't like to level up a different class in WoW when WotLK was out because I was unable to create a Death Knight if I didn't have a level 50+ character....

Bad analogy. Imaging if you had to do every quest in every area in Kalmidor, Eastern Kingdoms, Outland and the associated dungeons and raids with the story. Then get to level 70 and go to Northrend to start a DK.

I really enjoy the msq but after doing 2.0 to 2.55 one right after another I found myself not caring about it as much. It was designed to do over time as it was released and not one right after the other which is how people are going to be doing it now. There is a lot that can be pruned with out ruining the integrity of the story to speed it up.
I am not suggesting removing the ilvl requirements or event the trials.

**SDaemon** · 05-12-2015 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Tuathaa

Bad analogy. Imaging if you had to do every quest in every area in Kalmidor, Eastern Kingdoms, Outland and the associated dungeons and raids with the story. Then get to level 70 and go to Northrend to start a DK.

That is a very horrible comparison if you are trying to compare it to having to complete the MSQ for access to HW content. The sheer number of quests in difference between XIV's MSQ and WoW 3 continents worth of quests is tremendous!

**Rendecrow** · 05-12-2015 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Higashikata

I like how this clown, he's funny. Totally missing the point that FF has always been story driven, that MMOs have gear treadmills and quest content. I bet he'd be one of the folks who would complain about the inclusion of average item level if he played back then.

He just ignores 99% of arguments against his point and chooses to focus on the 1% he can insult.

Ok, three things:

1. I like ilvl. Been playing with it for years. Don't just assume that I would complain about something.

2. How is saying the following an insult:

"Good luck doing it in only a few days or a weekend as a new player! O.o When I said the quest chain only takes 6 hours or so, that's assuming you have ilvl 90 gear. If you have to grind out the gear and do extra raids (like crystal tower) it very well could take weeks for someone to get ilvl 90 gear and clear the quest chain. Especially since not as many people will be playing the old content and queue times for dungeons and raids will go up. As a dps I already wait 10 to 15 minutes for trials, 20 minutes for raids, and sometimes 40 minutes for dungeons. Those queue times will probably double when no one is doing them...."

3. I have not been arguing for getting rid of all the story. I have been arguing for a smooth transition between levels 50 to 51 if you are a fresh, new player. When 30% of the story is crammed into that one level compared to 1.4% (on average) for each other level before 50, that does not seem very smooth to me.

**Tuathaa** · 05-12-2015 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rendecrow

2. How is saying the following an insult:

"Good luck doing it in only a few days or a weekend as a new player! O.o When I said the quest chain only takes 6 hours or so, that's assuming you have ilvl 90 gear....."

The statement is not an insult in any way. I was actually being generous with my time estimate.

One of the reasons for expansions is to keep current subscribers and to entice new ones.
With the gating of the xpac behind Ishgard without streamlining the 2.0-2.55 msq is a mistake on SE's part and will end up losing subs and deter new subs. I know several people who wont be re subbing or buying the xpac because of this.

**axemtitanium** · 05-12-2015 07:24 AM

Solution: allow all players to freely enter Ishgard upon purchasing the expansion pack, but if the player has not completed MSQ 2.55, they will immediately aggro Lv60 Ishgardian guards who will murder them and send them back to home point.

**Burningskull** · 05-12-2015 07:51 AM

Spoilers. Possibly.

Since a certain someone still appears in the culinarian guild quest after 2.55, and we are simply expected to accept that the Cul quest happens chronologically before the events of 2.55, I don't see why they can't let people into Ishgard without doing the main story, just make them unable to do the new main story quests.

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