Thread: Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

Originally Posted by Yona87

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.

The profits other games have made with the same approach trumps your aversion to giving it to players now.

I don't like it either, but money talks, and BS walks.

What players are willing to "pay" for is what counts, not what they always like.

And the reference to the hardcore population (not you) looking for a new home?, well the large portion of that hardcore crowd is dwarfed by casual numbers who want it easy and or now, I thought this was pretty much universally known these days.

To be honest, I don't particularly mind the nerf, though that depends on how much HP Vishap has now. Lower HP on adds and lower damage? Meh, that just makes things a tad more forgiving.

If the mechanics are still in place, then I'm fine with this. If you still have to get on the cannons and fire the Dragon Killer to win, I have no problem with this. If it is instead what Garuda (Hard) effectively is now days, then I have an issue with it.

Like I said earlier though, the issue is the rewards. People who are leaving are leaving because it is a long trial with minimal rewards and success is dependent on mechanics. Unless this nerf has crippled Vishap so much that the mechanics can be ignored, I don't see anything changing. The rewards should be comparable to Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium in my opinion, with that I'd be happy to help random players out with a trial that I actually enjoy doing (when it's done right). I helped a friend with this yesterday, think I got 15 Sol? Utterly pathetic.

Originally Posted by Yona87

I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.

That's a valid point for sure. It's kinda up in the air what kind of life and longevity FFXIV will have because it can be hard to predict those things. I am sure SE wants the game to last to get the most profit from it so we'll have to see how much the community expands in first expansion, how happy the players are with the changes/content, and how many new long term players it hooks.

The game kinda is not getting too much easier though, its only the old out of date content that they nerf (except Steps of Faith...but partly to blame for this was the player base too, people just leaving if they got the trial and refusing to even try to help people. Giving up before even trying is just ugh) so even if new players get by all that nerfed content the newest content at the time is still hard and un-nerfed so it is still a challenge and they would have to work to clear it or wait a long 6 months for nerfs to be applied.

I agree with you its fun to strive to be better and I always do, just not everybody is the same or plays for those reasons. You do, yes, but you can still strive to be better and do those barriers since you tackle the content right when it is new and not nerfed.

So basically the nerf in the end does not really affect your enjoyment of the game, but it may help the enjoyment of players who don't have time to strive to be better and they play to relax or maybe they just are not as good at games. Fast reflexes is not a trait that everyone has and the speed of ones mind to react and remember all the buttons to your abilities. Also the boss rotations can be quite complicated sometimes. Can they try to improve? Yes, but there is usually a skill ceiling that eventually you reach your limit and everyone's limit is different.

It's hard to keep everyone happy, but implementing changes that will increase a portion of the player bases enjoyment and should have really no effect on the enjoyment of the other groups of players seems like a good idea generally. The echo buff can be removed so if people still want a challenge they can remove it.

Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

This so much. This was the problem with SoF as well. We're guided through all MSQ (and many sidequests too), with both our hands held tight, given stuff like candy, and then...BAM! Suddenly something that isn't even hard, just a bit more complex, and all of a sudden all the fresh swimmers drowned. And people wonder why.......

What's sad is that people are told exactly what to do in that fight...
The only true fix SoF needed was a loot pool. Actually reward people for the time and effort. A pat on the back and a cutscene you only see once is NOT A GOOD REWARD.