Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

**Krokov** · 05-12-2015 02:46 PM

So SoF is now a little easier, more people will clear and be able to enter Ishgard making for better grouping up for activites and events. How is this a bad thing? As someone has said you will no doubt still have to follow the mechanics of the fight, IMO I'd say the only change is there will be less deaths and faster kills (Vishap included).

**Adire** · 05-12-2015 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kikoten

At least we can be the ones who say, "Back in my day, we didn't need no derned nerfs. You youngsters got it easy!"

Can I be that youngster who hangs out with old people because I relate to them more?

I haven't cleared it yet but was looking forward to the challenge and satisfaction of clearing it

**RyuDragnier** · 05-12-2015 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Disappointed doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about this.

I'm massively disappointed. We finally get a medium challenge instance and now it's going to be faceroll easy probably. So apparently we're only allowed to have super hard Coil, or piss easy everything else, since we're not allowed to have a middle ground.

Originally Posted by Krokov

So SoF is now a little easier, more people will clear and be able to enter Ishgard making for better grouping up for activites and events. How is this a bad thing? As someone has said you will no doubt still have to follow the mechanics of the fight, IMO I'd say the only change is there will be less deaths and faster kills (Vishap included).

Because if the first instances in Heavensward are as hard as the original SoF was, there will be nothing preparing them for that difficulty. We NEED for people to be prepared for more difficult things, and get better. Nerfing things like this helps nobody, it dumbs down the game's players.

**SevarrienBladeson** · 05-12-2015 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm massively disappointed. We finally get a medium challenge instance and now it's going to be faceroll easy probably. So apparently we're only allowed to have super hard Coil, or piss easy everything else, since we're not allowed to have a middle ground.

Because if the first instances in Heavensward are as hard as the original SoF was, there will be nothing preparing them for that difficulty. We NEED for people to be prepared for more difficult things, and get better. Nerfing things like this helps nobody, it dumbs down the game's players.

Let the babes (the people who complained to SE about SoF being too hard) be spoonfed and let the real players reap the true satisfaction of victory. You know, there's Crafting, Cooking, Fishing, Blacksmithing, and others if the front lines are too hard for you all. Challenges arise, don't cower. Either you overcome or you succumb.

**Miste** · 05-12-2015 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Yona87

Its funny how you blatantly insult me saying FFXIV is my life priority.

Wasn't blatant, it was honest. You said it truly disgusts you did you not? I responded that you should not be disgusted by such a trivial thing in life. If you take it as an insult that is your own business. Or it is possible you chose the wrong word. Connotation is important.

Also if you wanna play this who insulted who game, you basically called all casual players bad and that they just want to leech wins with no effort and it disgusts you that they may need nerfs to help them pass older content or catch up. Sounds kinda mean right?

Like I said, you are worried too much about other players progression if you feel disgusted by nerfs. Just worry about your own enjoyment and have fun playing.

**Nalien** · 05-12-2015 02:57 PM

Funny thing is, I doubt this will solve people abandoning the duty instantly.

People leave Steps because it is a fairly long trial with very little reward. Unless they've knocked 50% of his HP off I can't see anything changing... People who fail Dragon Killers/etc. are still going to fail, the only difference I can see this making is that they'll get him to 20% rather than failing with him at 60%...

**Yona87** · 05-12-2015 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Miste

Wasn't blatant, it was honest. You said it truly disgusts you did you not? I responded that you should not be disgusted by such a trivial thing in life. If you take it as an insult that is your own business. Or it is possible you chose the wrong word. Connotation is important.

Also if you wanna play this who insulted who game, you basically called all casual players bad and that they just want to leech wins with no effort and it disgusts you that they may need nerfs to help them pass older content or catch up. Sounds kinda mean right?

Like I said, you are worried too much about other players progression if you feel disgusted by nerfs. Just worry about your own enjoyment and have fun playing.

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.
If there is something you cannot reach due to lack of skill or lack of gear, doesn't that give you incentive to strive to be better and work harder for your gear?
What is wrong with having those kind of barriers?
For me, if there is something I cannot clear or achieve in a video game, it is actually more motivating for me.

**RyuDragnier** · 05-12-2015 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Yona87

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.

If WoW's subscriptions are anything to go by during certain expansions, it's not.

**Lamentations** · 05-12-2015 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm massively disappointed. We finally get a medium challenge instance and now it's going to be faceroll easy probably. So apparently we're only allowed to have super hard Coil, or piss easy everything else, since we're not allowed to have a middle ground.

A medium challenge most people weren't prepared for already, sadly, with no rewards like those dropped in Super Hard Coil.

It is SE's own doing, not yours, mine or the rest of the player base, that we have piss-easy, or super hard with no middle ground.

If these people can "access" Ishgard/Heavensward and "still" yell about middle ground difficulty content I will jump right in there with you and tell them to man up.

If you have already personally cleared this, why is it so personal to you specifically?, tell everyone how hard core professional you cleared SOF and find some closure.

**Nalien** · 05-12-2015 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

If WoW's subscriptions are anything to go by during certain expansions, it's not.

Funniest thing about that is that we could probably assume that there are a fairly large group of "hardcore" players out there looking for a new home (didn't WoW recently lose over 2m subs?). Certainly isn't going to be here at this rate.

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