Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

**StouterTaru** · 05-10-2015 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by SanjuroXI

SoF isnt even comparable to CoPs level of difficulty lol. I don't even understand how anyone is unable to beat SoF unless there just full retarding the mechanics. I have 2 haracters and DF both my clears np.

The problem is that you have the good players, the average players, and the bad players. The good players blew through it the first week, along with most of the average players. What's left needing the fight is some average players and a lot of bad players. Stick 3 bad players in a run, and it's very hard to beat it.

The same is true with Odin fight. I tried to DF it a few times after they released cards and the parties were made up of 2-5 people going for a carry. The dps wasn't even close, and a few people couldn't grasp the concept of dodging.

**Balipu** · 05-10-2015 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Sympathy is irrelevant, as are opinions.

If you came into get your car oil changed and fluids topped off, and I told you to 'grow up' and change your own oil, you'd take your business elsewhere. That's effectively what you are telling these people.

No. At the very least that's not what I am saying. I'm saying that if a customer wanted to get his car an oil change and one of the mechanics couldn't change the oil and couldn't be bothered to get a few of his colleagues he knows personally to help him change the oil I wouldn't wait for the customer to come back with a simpler car. I would sack the mechanic and change the damned oil myself.

I don't wan't subscribers to leave at the same pace wow subscribers leave nowadays. But if SoF is too hard for someone after beating Titan, Garuda, Nabriales and Clearing Stone Vigil, Praetorium and Keeper of the Lake, they really need help. And if they cant be bothered to ask for help and listen to the advice they should be asking well they have no place in a game that is built on social interaction and cooperation.

I apologize if this offends some people but this is my oppinion as a completely average player, and I'm going to stick to it.

**Shyluv** · 05-10-2015 07:56 AM

Hopefully they are also being prepared and putting the afk kick timer back in the game, if pre-order sales and current subscriptions did well.

**Zorvan** · 05-10-2015 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The players need to grow up and get better sooner or later, it makes perfect sense for the final instance before the expansion to be that time. SoF isn't hard, it's a mechanic driven battle that requires cooperation and a bit of coordination. If people can't make a conscious effort to TRY to do that, then they don't need to be playing a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game.

Ah, the e-peen is strong in this one. Hardmodes are for guys who need constant stroking, other people don't even like dungeons and just want to get through it so they can enjoy some story and move on to the rest of the game.

Originally Posted by Nalien

I'd rather lose some subscribers who couldn't even grasp Steps of Faith, than continue having the developers cater to that lowest of bars, personally.

And that would be why Square-Enix runs a multi-million dollar company and you don't.

Any dungeon that is explicitly tied to the advancement of the main storyline should have a less-intensive "story mode" ( with the appropriate reduction in gil/gear reward of course ).

**RyuDragnier** · 05-10-2015 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Zorvan

Ah, the e-peen is strong in this one. Hardmodes are for guys who need constant stroking, other people don't even like dungeons and just want to get through it so they can enjoy some story and move on to the rest of the game.

I'm just tired of people asking for nerfs to content that isn't that hard. I've dabbled a bit in Coil, I've done some EX modes, the difficulty doesn't come near any of it. This at most is like the original AK before the nerfs, not that hard, people just need to know their jobs.

**OMEGA_HACK** · 05-10-2015 08:22 AM

Honestly Steps of Faith currently is that "Middle difficulty" that lots of players are clamoring for. In fact we've had lots of "middle difficulty" in this game but it usually gets quickly nerfed to "easy difficulty" making an ever worsening gap between easy content and actually hard content.

**Lamentations** · 05-10-2015 09:08 AM

Sof is easy, Sof is hard, either doesn't matter or isn't the issue here, the issue is they locked a 40$ expansion behind it.

If for whatever or no reason a noticeable % of the player base believes they cant now or never will be able to clear it, why bother buying an expansion and making SE 40$, or for that matter possibly a continued subscription.

In the current day gamer climate locking player participation in this expansion behind this clear to me was simply a bad idea.

I am well aware that they most likely did this to try and stem some RMT issues, still think this approach with the current gamer mentality as well as the continuing RMT issue, is trying to shoot their own profits in the foot.

This seems more like an RMT gate tactic to me than anything else, and if this is truly the case dealing with them in this fashion is just so, lol.

**Nestama** · 05-10-2015 09:20 AM

All SE needs to do for SoF is make it drop loot. That's all. Here's a suggestion for possible loot: Unweathered Soldiery armour. Sure, it'll make the Sands of Time in ST irrelevant, but at least ST has incentive to be run at least once a week (for Coat/Twine/Tome).

**Whocareswhatmynameis** · 05-10-2015 09:27 AM

Theres a thing called a learning curve where games normally get progressively more difficult as you get further into it. The last level of a game isn't suppose to be just as easy or easier than the first level. As you play the game you learn things and get better at playing it, and conquering new challenges makes you even better than you were when you first stepped into Sastasha. The more they nerf even the easy content, the more this game loses it's learning curve to the point where everything is just beaten first try w/o any effort. That is not good game design.

**Talia_Hailwind** · 05-10-2015 09:34 AM

HOW ABOUT SOME FREAKING HOUSES!!!

Seriously I can't believe they are leaving this until the expansion, the houses are needed now! I've been waiting forever to do gardening and put all my housing items in a place that doesn't take up HALF OF MY RETAINER!!! (After leaving my FC room when I switched)

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