Thread: Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

Originally Posted by Zorvan

Ah, the e-peen is strong in this one. Hardmodes are for guys who need constant stroking, other people don't even like dungeons and just want to get through it so they can enjoy some story and move on to the rest of the game.

I'm just tired of people asking for nerfs to content that isn't that hard. I've dabbled a bit in Coil, I've done some EX modes, the difficulty doesn't come near any of it. This at most is like the original AK before the nerfs, not that hard, people just need to know their jobs.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The players need to grow up and get better sooner or later, it makes perfect sense for the final instance before the expansion to be that time. SoF isn't hard, it's a mechanic driven battle that requires cooperation and a bit of coordination. If people can't make a conscious effort to TRY to do that, then they don't need to be playing a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game.

I'm afraid about the only way that's going to work is to actually force players out of the game (and there MAY be a clause in the EULA to allow for it - there was in XI, but no one used it as such!) for players who won't. (And there are a lot who believe I am one of them.)

The clause would be a matter of Game Disruption.

In regards to Step of Faith,

It emphasizes the need for communication and cooperation among party members. It is set up to where not one player can "be the hero" and save the day so to speak, and I like that. Unity is key in that mission, and if you don't have it, you lose. From start to finish everyone has to work together. My party cleared it and we had at least 2 of 8 members at no more than ilevel 96.
1 tank having aggro on adds (DPS with aggro pulling to tank so tank can grab), 1 healer healing the DPS that needed it (we had a phenomenal solo healer), and 4 DPS attacking the boss at all times unless the mechanic needed done . We got victory with a split second to spare before failing and having to restart, but we won.
Everyone must do their part, or it is "Duty Failed." Good move, Square Enix (even though it was as tough as I can describe, and had to do the whole trial 9 times to get it done), I like it and hope to see more of these mechanic oriented fights on the trials

Originally Posted by SevarrienBladeson

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Completely agree. I got up to Steps of Faith finally tonight and had time for one try. It failed, and now I'm going to have to do the nerfed version instead of experiencing it in its original form if it gets nerfed tonight. I can see why the thing is a pain, why it wipes DF groups. The adds are insane if not dealt with efficiently even if people know the actual mechanics. Small messups with the adds can cause major problems and is what happened in my attempt.

But the fight has been cleared plenty up to this point and is not at all impossible, just a bit difficult. Why everything that is mildly difficult, even in the main storyline, has to be nerfed I do not understand. Allowing a forced reset is fine and would clear up many problems people have with the fight without nerfing it. Increased rewards would encourage people to stay. Those should be what happens, not nerfs.

Originally Posted by SevarrienBladeson

In regards to Step of Faith,

It emphasizes the need for communication and cooperation among party members. It is set up to where not one player can "be the hero" and save the day so to speak, and I like that. Unity is key in that mission, and if you don't have it, you lose. From start to finish everyone has to work together.

This. I just did my first-ever run of it via DF, and we one-shot it. Why? Because the group communicated with each other on what needed to be done and when. A few things went wrong, but we were able to deal with them thanks to communication.

That's it. That's all that trial needs: people working together.

Originally Posted by Nalien

I'd rather lose some subscribers who couldn't even grasp Steps of Faith, than continue having the developers cater to that lowest of bars, personally. Forming a group rather than relying on the Duty Finder is a sure fire way to clear this incredibly easy Trial. Talking people to form a group ensures that you'll actually all communicate roles and such.

We have party finder to form server groups which sometimes ends up in; "Please know/have xyz before joining" People can't know unless they learn and sometimes learners even have requirements themselves just because normally players don't want to continue learning the same small phases and stay stuck at that point.

I sadly can't think of a better way to quick fix the battle other than nerf myself. :x

Originally Posted by Nalien

I'd rather lose some subscribers who couldn't even grasp Steps of Faith, than continue having the developers cater to that lowest of bars, personally.

And I'll take you a step further. If you have to nerf it to get more than a 15-20% clear rate (and, yes, I do think it's that low!), then it comes down to either enforcing "Get Good!" or you shouldn't have had it that hard in the first place.

Originally Posted by Nalien

So many people simply get carried through the story Trials without even having to think. The Duty Finder is an enabler which shouldn't be the norm for every piece of content. Beef up that New Player bonus and Party Finder for Steps shouldn't be difficult at all, though perhaps if SE had "put their foot down" sooner, people wouldn't be at Lv50 without a single friend to help them out.

That's basically it. Since they didn't put their feet down sooner, now they have no choice but to let it play out as it has.