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  1. #51
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    I find it astounding how many people misunderstand. Are so many just not reading properly?
    Because trolls like to call out people's BS. Trolls lack reading comprehension and just want to start a fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaedrianLiang View Post
    Thats not legitimate dual boxing. obviously the WHM is being run on a bot or script program that can read text, and the player that requests it, and target the requesting player.

    Automation is automation, and is against ToS.
    This seemed pretty obvious to me. Mind you the reason why is because I've manually controlled 2 or 3 players of a 4 player party on another game before using 3 separate machines, and it's simply not possible to do this unless one of the characters is basically being a packmule to pick up extra loot. Humans are not built to multitask.

    Here's how you roughly tell:
    Separate people controlling separate accounts - They react with different response times, and move independently.
    One person with several accounts on different machines - They alternate between movements/commands, and move in straight lines. Using key-repeating software also allows one to play several characters of the same class/job.
    One person with several accounts from the same machine - One character will move, and then another will, but they will move sluggishly or rubberband, often in straight lines. Often requires all the alternates to be the same class/job from key-repeating software.
    One person with several accounts from the same machine in VM/scripting/botting - One character will move like a normal player, and the other characters will operate independently, but won't talk in the party chat at the same time, if they die, they don't ask for help.

    The tells for automation often include low-efficiency dungeon running (eg pulling one monster at a time) and being unaware of the surroundings, or "scripted" surroundings:
    1) Bots frequently jump into walls/obstructions because their "follow" master gets too far away.
    2) Bots run to known objects in the dungeon (eg chests), even when open
    3) Standing in AOE's/traps
    4) Spamming Sleep
    5) Wearing inappropriate gear (Harvesting bots and Spirit-bonding bots are VERY easy to tell because of this, they often have missing right-hand-side gear or dungeon-trash for gear)
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  2. #52
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    Delsus's Avatar
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    Delsus Highwind
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    Odin
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    Red Mage Lv 86
    It does look like a dualbox running via automation, and it's actually simple to do, you just need a script to keep an eye on the logs for key words and execute the correct command. It's 100% against the ToS and should be reported asap, a simple check of chatlogs should be enough to prove the healer is running via script.
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  3. #53
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    Holy_Dragoon's Avatar
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    Holy Dragoon
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    Hyperion
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    It does look like a dualbox running via automation, and it's actually simple to do, you just need a script to keep an eye on the logs for key words and execute the correct command. It's 100% against the ToS and should be reported asap, a simple check of chatlogs should be enough to prove the healer is running via script.
    ^^ 100% agree. This is not legit. While the dual boxing element should be fine, chat trigger commands definitely violates the ToS. Embarrassing that this was from a Hyperion player. I'll be alerting my FC about this to report anyone they find.
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  4. #54
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    Kuro_Mao's Avatar
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    Shiro Kuroh
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    Hyperion
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    Blacksmith Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Naliee View Post
    That sounds like botting to me. Have you informed GM?
    My notification was we are looking into this and it was immediately closed In less than 30 minutes. Day 4 of 4, I post this first, now all the sudden it's a "Known Issue."
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  5. #55
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    Shiro Kuroh
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    Hyperion
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    Blacksmith Lv 80
    My legacy account could not be recovered according to SE. I spent my alpha and all betas there. Started my ffxiv 2.0 career there. Bottom line. I am offended from it as well. Hyperion used to be the Crown Jewel. The only problem IN post beta days was the market board hack, (lost 5 mil to that myself,) on an alt, and everyone was a bard in the AM/WP days.
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  6. #56
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    Shiro Kuroh
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    Blacksmith Lv 80
    Sorry car hit a bump AM should be AK
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  7. #57
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Zorvan View Post
    /lumberjack
    I've done some serious mult-boxing during my school years, for lineage 2 and Anarchy Online (when it went f2p)

    In lineage 2 i had 6 accounts and i set it up so that hitting one button would do something different for each character. and i would have healing buttons on my hotbar for healers, that would otherwise be empty for the dps and tank. And i would have a /follow button for the DPS and Healers that would be empty on the account that was on my main window of focus.

    This was especially easy for lineage 2 because about 55% of melee damage came from auto-attacks.

    I didnt do it for farming, i did it to play solo in Anarchy Online because leveling up players were extremely scarce.

    Lineage II i did it to be a force to be reckoned with, scare off those 1-4 PK players from attacking a party of 1 tank, 4 daggers and 2 healers. When they did have the courage to attack, my force was swift in killing, having 6 characters focus target is a beautiful thing.

    Example:

    keystroke 1 (Attack)
    Tank = /attack
    DPS = /assist <tankname> + /attack
    Healer = /assist <tankname> + /attack (or /healer nuke)

    keystroke 2 (target tank + follow)
    Tank = empty
    DPS = /target <tankname> + /follow
    Healer = /target <tankname> + /follow

    keystroke 3 (special attack 1)
    Tank = /special attack1
    DPS = /special attack1
    Healer = /special attack 1

    keystroke 4 ( special attack 2)
    " "
    keystroke 5 ( Target tank and heal)
    Tank = /special attack 1 & 2
    DPS = /special attack 1 & 2
    Healer = /target <tankname> + /heal + /previous target/

    keystroke 6 (AoE heal)
    Tank = /special attack 1 & 2
    DPS = /special attack 1 & 2
    Healer = /aoeheal

    I've been reported in both Lineage II and Anarchy Online and when i explained how it worked they were like "oh i guess that's not botting, you are free to go."

    Mind you this was over 8 years ago bots have come a long way since then, but for the most part still easy to identify because they cant make the same sound judgements as a human.

    As for FFXIV, having a similar keystroke/multibox set up would be difficult because for maximum damage every class has a varying rotation that cant be matched by creative keystroke setups. Having a heal bot (when i say bot i mean dualboxing jargon) follow you around might work though, but a chocobo companion fills that role very well.
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 05-11-2015 at 05:07 PM.

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