DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Kikosho]

Yes, and the aesthetic of adventurers fighting monsters is very different from having them fight each other. You're obviously not bothered by it, I am, and I'm certainly not alone in this.

Well, as Nalien so kindly amended for me:

Apparently a DRG fighting a 5th Cohort Secutor and a DRG fighting a MNK is vastly different with the latter being cancer to the eyes.

Aesthetically, you're seeing two non-beastmen race individuals fighting against each other. Does it also displease you when we have to fight against non-beastmen in the MSQ, in Halatali, or against Hoary Boulder?

Yet you guys refuse the superior solution that would be dueling servers.

As I said before, then why not Triple Triad only servers? You and I acknowledged that TT can only be played in certain areas in the open world, quite similar to our proposal of only being able to duel in certain areas in the open world. To be honest, I'm flabbergasted that you seem to think your solution is "superior" when the negatives it will cause players far outweigh your "eww duels" mentality. But considering your view that a player losing 70 million gil and housing property is insignificant, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

And if you haven't realized by now, I was being sarcastic about being annoyed by TT challenges. I simply say no and move on.

[Allyrion]

Aesthetically, you're seeing two non-beastmen race individuals fighting against each other. Does it also displease you when we have to fight against non-beastmen in the MSQ, in Halatali, or against Hoary Boulder?

You racist! Beastmen have feelings too.
They might be mind controlled, but they're every bit as sentient as the other humanoids!

[CarmenSandiego]

A duelling system would be fantastic, it's a bit of harmless fun! Yes put in an auto-decline feature for people who have no interest, issue solved easily. If you feel harassed, we have a blacklist option for a reason. We are not forcing you to PvP.

If you want another reason as to why many of us like being able to duel in the open world besides "it'll look cool", it adds the element of landscape into the mix. When you allow player skill to shine through because you can use more than just your job, but also your surroundings, awareness, and initiative, it tends to fix balancing issues. The walls in Wolves' Den are there for that exact reason. Many of us would like to see more than just walls and platforms in PvP serving this purpose, we want to be able to use the beautiful new areas of 3.0 that have been created to its full potential: becoming something that our character is actively involved with. You can argue that this is already possible with PvE, but there is a big difference as to how an AI works with the environment and how a playing character does. Monsters ignore their surroundings: they can unrealistically scale heights and move through objects like the world isn't even there. We want to feel more of a connection with Eorzea, and sending us into a Wolves' Den instance isn't going to help that. However I do understand people's complaints, and certain restrictions on where you can duel are necessary. Inside major cities should be off-limits (Unless the Coliseum in Uldah finally gets a use), we don't need people fighting in front of the Marketboard ^^;. All that being said, I'd be willing to sacrifice open world duelling for an instanced version if the majority of the community is truly against it. The Devs could even make the arenas look like certain portions of a map like they do with class quests. That would also be great, we could still look epic in the Sea of Clouds and everyone is happy.

[Kikosho]

You racist! Beastmen have feelings too.
They might be mind controlled, but they're every bit as sentient as the other humanoids!

I love all those fabulous creatures, they are useful training dummies.

[jinda]

yoshi please give us ghe duel system.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

PvP Balance Whiners ruined everything.

So NO to Duelling and NO to any PvP related Stuff. Im really happy that PvP in XIV is more like joke than a serious Corner of the Game.

The changes they've make to classes / skills in pvp don't effect classes in pve.

Some Examples:
Regen and Medica II can't be stacked.
All Stuns, sleeps and binds have a reduced duration
Bard Damage is affected by distance from target (too close and your damage is low, too far and your damage is low, in the sweet spot your damage is max)
Summoners can't resurrect people
etc.

Dueling is fun—and whether its balanced or not—players sometimes want to beat on their friends (or make new ones so so they can beat on them too).
I'm all for it. I don't think it should be allowed in main city states though. Seems too crowded.

[bettomendes]

Gonna have to say no, because after the whining that is the wow forums on "x class is op", I'm glad to not see it here.

This, so many times! Even with pvp-only Actions, sooner or later people would start to whine about how monks are powerful, that paladin Pacification skill or whatever they find """unfair""".

[CarmenSandiego]

Here's an idea: Ignore it. Whining about whiners is twice as useless. Don't let other people's complaining get in the way of a new feature in the game. If Square Enix deem that rebalancing should happen for duels, so be it. But not wanting more things in game because it might be an eye-sore on the forums is silly. The best you can do is offer suggestions here in order to make it as good a feature that caters to as many people as possible.

[Khyan]

Yes on open world. Totally agree. But not in the cities though.

People are afraid of PvP even when this kind of PvP can't hurt anyone. It's selfish.
I don't PvP much but a system like that can be useful for training and improving a job/skill. And for fun, of course.

But it seems that there are not many players who know what is fun with PvP, especially when this remains optional and isn't necessary at all.

As I said before: it's all about fear and selfishness to refuse this kind of PvP system.
The E-pen argument is not really viable since we can see this on PvE. (simple example : hello tanks who fight for keep hate with dps or other tanks)
In fact, I don't see any viable "against arguments" around here. But well, matter of taste and opinion anyway.

[Galdous]

How about no and no.