DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Nalien]

Oh, can't believe I didn't remember this sooner; Hunts.

Forget raid drama, I've seen enough "early pull" crap to last me a lifetime.

A lot of smack talk happens in open world PVE too. People pull S ranks and A ranks too early or even reset them, and as a result there's a whole cacophony of drama.

Edit that in just as I posted D:

Guess Hunts should be removed because of a few bad apples, since that seems to be the mentality against adding Duels (despite all the failsafes we've suggested~). Better not add those Floating Islands in 3.1, imagine all the FC drama they're going to causes as well.

[Gilthas]

Guess Hunts should be removed because of a few bad apples, since that seems to be the mentality against adding Duels (despite all the failsafes we've suggested~). Better not add those Floating Islands in 3.1, imagine all the FC drama they're going to causes as well.

Actually, I would be happy if crap like Hunts had never been added to the game, but that's a tale for another day.

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

[Nalien]

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

Good thing that isn't my argument.

My argument is that we shouldn't dismiss content because some people are going to be dicks. If we did, we wouldn't have any content. This is an MMO, some people are going to be dicks, if "we can't have that because some people are dicks" was a rational argument MMOs simply wouldn't exist.

This is true for Raids. It's true for Hunts. It's true for crafting and the in-game economy. And yes, it's true for PvP. The only issue here is that, when people are dicks in PvE, people call them out as such, but when people are dicks in PvP (and currently they're not), people go "PvPers are bad! We shouldn't have PvP!". It's blindly hypocritical, just like the whole nonsense about Duels somehow causing lag when Treasure Maps don't already. The whole "Duels will cause drama" thing is just another vain attempt at people who don't PvP trying to justify not having PvP in the game. We get it, you all don't like PvP, that is exactly why we're suggesting Duels in such a way that it wouldn't affect you. None of us who actually PvP care for Duels for e-peen, as you lot have suggested. None of us who actually PvP even care to challenge non-PvPers. The whole argument hinges on some hypothetical douchbags we've seen zero evidence of in game, even if you all want to pretend that they'd suddenly spawn in were Duels added, please do explain how they'd go about upsetting you if Duels were introduced in such a way as we've suggested throughout this thread?

[kpxmanifesto]

Arguments like "it doesn't matter if this causes drama, because other stuff already causes drama" isn't really a good argument.

I think that's an excellent argument. People are ok with the drama caused by PvEers but won't tolerate the supposed drama that will arise from PvPers? That's called a double standard. Saying someone has a double standard is a good way of discrediting their argument because it shows they have the inability to be impartial.