DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Nalien]

In case you haven't noticed, FFXIV is a carebear game.

Last time I checked it was a game with a sudden difficulty spike come endgame with a fairly toxic community. Not to mention an MMO which is meant to appeal to a wide range of people, rather than one single demographic.

Funnily enough, back when I actually bothered, Frontlines seemed like a fairly inviting place where people would talk and offer advice and not only communicate strategies, but follow them. Wish I could say the same about any PvE Duty Finder content which more often (seemingly every Crystal Tower run) just ends up with people hurling insults and abandoning instantly. Always found that amusing considering the crux of any anti-PvP argument always seems to end up being little more than "But PvP is mean!".

I mean really, I recall one run where nobody was on healer. Myself and another player decided to switch, he seemed fairly inexperienced with PvP but everyone helpfully explained for him what would likely happen (everyone would target them) and how to use skills like Attunement. I outright stated that I've not played my Scholar at all in a very long time, had trouble remembering where actions were, may have hit (and wasted) LB on one occasion. Everyone was understanding and nobody really lost their shit. We came second, everyone seemed to enjoy themselves, nobody uttered a single vitriol filled word, nobody left midway through (though with PvP queues being what they are I guess that's a non-point). Meanwhile I can't seem to go a single World of Darkness run without seeing someone go absolutely ballistic over some tiny thing. I can only imagine the amount of unbridled rage people would fling if someone wasted in LB in WoD...

I'd actually say PvP is more "care bear" than any of the PvE endgame content. You can't lose. Sure, you can come second or third, but you still get rewarded. Losing in PvP is still rewarding, you still progress through the ranks, get the gear, hopefully get better in general. You lose once at Titan EX? Half the party leaves and you have to start again from scratch.

[Teryaani]

If we can fight each other in Cartenau Flats for dumb reasons, we can spar/duel with each other too.
Lorewise it is not impossible, it is just carebears who are afraid of being harrassed by duel requests while ignore all requests option could be easily added.

If they implemented it with the block duel option set off for default then I'm pretty sure more players wouldn't care. The "carebear" crap doesn't help convince people of your opinion though.

Last time I checked it was a game with a sudden difficulty spike come endgame with a fairly toxic community. Not to mention an MMO which is meant to appeal to a wide range of people, rather than one single demographic.

Relative to other gaming communities this one is pretty good. It could be better, but it's not exactly a cesspool of awful either. FFXIV is definitely meant to appeal to more than one group of players.

Wish I could say the same about any PvE Duty Finder content which more often (seemingly every Crystal Tower run) just ends up with people hurling insults and abandoning instantly. Always found that amusing considering the crux of any anti-PvP argument always seems to end up being little more than "But PvP is mean!".

CT and WoD in particular can get really terrible. Any DF activity has that potential but those two seem to attract the trolliest trolls. No argument there. I don't PvP, but I like instanced PVP being in the game. It's good for the game I think to have it. Dueling, if players aren't bothered by duel spam (set the flag "no" by default) would be a fine addition. I start getting iffy on larger wPVP implementations, but even that could be implemented in a low-grief way.

I get the feeling that most people's dislike of pvp comes from gank fests in wPVP in other games.

[kpxmanifesto]

The "carebear" crap doesn't help convince people of your opinion though.

He's just telling it how it is. That "carebear" crap is a very real excuse that people try to use to not have dueling implemented.

[Teryaani]

He's just telling it how it is. That "carebear" crap is a very real excuse that people try to use to not have dueling implemented.

And dropping to name calling doesn't help make your case. If SE implemented it, with controls from the start to prevent the spam requests, the only thing you'd have to do is ask dissenters "How does this affect you? Not at all? Then why are you arguing?"

[kpxmanifesto]

And dropping to name calling doesn't help make your case. If SE implemented it, with controls from the start to prevent the spam requests, the only thing you'd have to do is ask dissenters "How does this affect you? Not at all? Then why are you arguing?"

Carebear is name calling? Last time I checked carebears was a cartoon. A person posting before you even says hes proud to be a carebear. Anyhow, he doesn't need to make a case. Dueling seems to be supported quite well in this thread.

[kpxmanifesto]

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Please don't be insulted that I called you out. This is what happened here: You viewed someone using the word carebear as an insult, and then someone owned up to being a carebear and that he was proud of it which contradicts your argument. I called you out on it and now you are sitting here grasping for straws to counter that. Sorry man, if you feel insulted by me calling you out on a forum I think its time you take a step back and take a deep breath. It's just a video game forum.

Besides, I know you won't explain the supposed insult behind the word carebear because you know there is none. It is incredibly subjective that you view the word carebear as an insult and there's not much you can do to prove to myself and others that it is.

[kpxmanifesto]

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Sorry man, but whatever you say doesn't change anything. Please don't feel insulted that I called out on an event that contradicted your logic. I'm not used to carebear being seen as an insult and I still don't believe it, nor will you explain it.