DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Gilthas]

They should make a Triple Triad only server as well. I dislike walking around Gold Saucer or at the Adventurer's Guild and being constantly barraged by requests to card battle despite my deck being subpar.

Triple Triad is secluded into small locations and has the players just standing there. The duelling that you want is a lot different.

So your only counter is the same tired, inane, "I don't even want to see it!". Good to know.

And your counter to the best solution (by far) is "I don't want to be inconvenienced, so everyone else should be!"

All the PvE players currently on that server who don't want to be on the designated PvP servers should also have to stomach those inconveniences.

I said new servers for a reason.

People are asking for open world interaction for duelling against another player where it is asked, they are not asking for open world free for all PVP where you get ganked.

I know.

[Nalien]

And your counter to the best solution (by far) is "I don't want to be inconvenienced, so everyone else should be!"

When walking past me having a duel costs you 70m, you'll have a point. Until then you're just spouting absurd bullsh*t.

Fairly sure at this point you're one of the few people even considering seeing a duel to be an inconvenience. It is hardly an inconvenience to everyone, even people who don't like PvP are accepting that there is no real issue with seeing them. The concept that SE should invest in new servers and maintain extra servers, is some how a better solution to you just getting the f*ck over the fact that your virgin eyes might have to be sullied by people dueling is- at this point -hilarious, please continue.

I said new servers for a reason.

I'm sure SE will commit to that when they can't even allocate enough space for Housing.

Again, now your suggestion isn't just inconveniencing me, it's inconveniencing SE. They now have to not only implement duels, but invest in new servers and maintaining additional servers, just because you don't want to see duels going on, even though they'd probably be rarer than people doing Treasure Maps after a few weeks.

[raelgun]

PvE Players just be more like "Wow thats overtuned...let's use it the best we can in raid for our progess until they balance it." Of Course when they nerf it there will be always some of that Class that whine about it in the Forums but...you have that always.

You have not been PVEing in raiding much have you, the competitiveness in PVE raiding is pretty high, and people use item level to the same affect, I have always found the PVE crowd to contain less honourable players then PVP ones in my experience and I come from a WoW hard mode raiding background with WOL rankings at current content at the time and a few PVP ranked titles but those are nothing special.

I have also completed PVE content in this game too with a T13 clear, and with the experience in both elements, PVE players are much much worse are the whining then PVP players.

[raelgun]

Triple Triad is secluded into small locations and has the players just standing there. The duelling that you want is a lot different.

Right the thing with this is, Yoshi said its only secluded to small areas for now (golden saucer is quite extensive in all honesty), and it will go open world at some point.

[Gilthas]

When walking past me having a duel costs you 70m, you'll have a point. Until then you're just spouting absurd bullsh*t.

No, it just costs me my monthly sub. When I joined this game they said that PvP would be instanced, and now you want to change all that when there's a far superior solution that wouldn't bother anyone not interested in dueling.

I'm sure SE will commit to that when they can't even allocate enough space for Housing.

If duelists are as numerous to warrant changing the tone of the game, I'm sure they'll be able to allocate servers to duelists. If fact, I hear that a whole datacenter in Canada will soon be freed up... so they'll certainly have the hardware for it soon.

Right the thing with this is, Yoshi said its only secluded to small areas for now (golden saucer is quite extensive in all honesty), and it will go open world at some point.

When it's all over the map and as invasive as Dueling, you'll have a point, until then however...

[Nalien]

When I joined this game they said that PvP would be instanced

Unless you care to point out some overwhelming difference between two people dueling and a person doing Treasure Maps, Hunts, FATEs, Levequests, or even just spamming Ring of Thrones outside Revenant's Toll, this point falls flat. You still wouldn't be forced into PvP, since apparently you have absolutely no counter/issue with the restrictions suggested.

PvP servers, as was pointed out earlier, were with the idea of persistent open world PvP, rather than duel requests. It simply does not make sense to put aside server resources for duel requests. The only "leg" you have to stand on here is that you don't want to see duels.

[Gilthas]

Unless you care to point out some overwhelming difference between two people dueling and a person doing Treasure Maps, Hunts, FATEs, Levequests, or even just spamming Ring of Thrones outside Revenant's Toll, this point falls flat. You still wouldn't be forced into PvP, since apparently you have absolutely no counter/issue with the restrictions suggested.

The overwhelming difference is that all of those except the RoT spam are localized to restricted areas of the map. Players fighting each other is a lot different than PvE activities. As for the RoT spam, having something annoying in the game already is no justification to add a second annoying thing.

PvP servers, as was pointed out earlier, were with the idea of persistent open world PvP, rather than duel requests. It simply does not make sense to put aside server resources for duel requests. The only "leg" you have to stand on here is that you don't want to see duels.

Oh really? You do know that they did "put aside" server resources for Legacy players. This would be the same exact thing.

So why do you insist on an option that, at the very least, has the real potential to annoy non-PvPers when there is a far superior solution that had the added benefit of actually making it easier for you to find people to duel with?

[Nalien]

The overwhelming difference is that all of those except the RoT spam are localized to restricted areas of the map. As for the RoT spam, having something annoying in the game already is no justification to add a second annoying thing.

You're aware our suggestion is effectively the same as Triple Triad, right? Just out in the wilderness rather than in cities. People would only be able to duel in areas where they'd be spamming their skills in PvE content; Hunts, Maps, FATEs, regular mobs...

Oh really? You do know that they did "put aside" server resources for Legacy players. This would be the same exact thing.

Legacy servers weren't an "extra" thing, they were simply a distinction between servers where people had carried over from 1.0 and servers where everyone would start at Lv1 with nothing...

So why do you insist on an option that, at the very least, has the real potential to annoy non-PvPers when there is a far superior solution that had the added benefit of actually making it easier for you to find people to duel with?

Again, because I don't think you going "Ew, those two are dueling!" is an annoyance which outweighs me losing well over 70m Gil. Because I don't think your "issue" would be a wide spread one. Because I don't need it to be easier to find people to duel with, I already know enough PvPers on my server to manage just fine. Because I don't think SE should have to go out and purchase extra servers just because you have an issue with seeing people duel in the same places they'd be spamming skills in PvE...

[Kikosho]

Apparently a DRG fighting a Morbol and a DRG fighting a MNK is vastly different with the latter being cancer to the eyes.

[Gilraen]

Honestly, the absurd notion here is thinking 'see=involved'. If I drive by an accident I can see that there was an accident but it involves me not. Yet if I was in said accident I'd clearly be involved. I don't care about the things I see in the game anywhere near as much as is being made out to be. A sudden Fat Chocobo flash mob isn't going to stop me from turning in a quest, a Fate popping up along the road isn't going to force me to stop and turn around. Someone walking up to me to try and start a duel, though, is going to interrupt me and potentially ruin my day. Hopefully they won't be insulted when I decline and go back to what I was doing. I can't say for certain that things will go that smoothly, noone can. It's that uncertainty that needs be addressed before open world duels will be accepted enough to not be so vehemently opposed.

I think the whole argument can come to an agreeable close if this one question can be answered, "Why do you want to involve those that don't want to be?"