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Thread: T9 and LB3

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    Other than what others have mentioned above, maybe you should have 1 of the DRG or even 2 of them switch to another class.

    Since quite a lot already, having repeated classes on your party hinders the LB build up. If you so much want to depend on that, you'll need to have a full varied party to manage an lb3 on that phase, considering echo and all.

    All that aside, reaching a 3rd HF with 20% echo is really bad. So you should check the dps on your guys during that phase.
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    Just to add up only use LB2 melee after 2nd HF if Nael at 50% HP minimum else you most likely only get phasepush when 2nd ghost spawns.
    Also did you think about using Potent Poisoning Potions? Helped my static also with the last bit DPS.
    If healers are comfy as well they can put down Shadowflare and put some dots (just when she comes back down and during 2nd HF).
    Oh and generally keep all bursts for Nael the Ghost is butter anyway.
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    Last edited by Werhusky; 05-12-2015 at 06:55 PM.
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    If the LB2 is not working for your group with the echo and i120 range, then it sounds like positioning or DPS rotations are not optimal. With i120 and echo, you should really only see 3 meteors at most.

    Otherwise, you can opt to slow DPS in phase 1 since it is by far the easiest and simply deal with 5 meteors to build up to LB3 and either melee LB3 Nael or Caster LB3 Nael and the First Ghost. If you do have to go this route, it would confirm that your classes are not pushing out as much DPS as they could be.

    The SCH can also cleric stance and DPS nael while the fairy heals. The WHM should be able to time an AE medica or medica2 depending on what you feel comfortable with right as Heavensfall hits and knocks everyone back. The SCH can just lustrate if needed on MT in this phase but DPS otherwise.
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    Last edited by Cerick; 05-13-2015 at 03:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoekes View Post
    yes it is.
    every buff you activate does build a tiny amount of LB. It may seem insignificiant but if all casters utilize sprint frequently it can definitely make LB go faster.
    It's for this reason that I will activate any other cooldowns I know won't be practically applied (Featherfoot and Keen Flurry especially) as soon as possible as well, while melee. Longer cooldowns than sprint, but that's still LB building materials just sitting there doing nothing otherwise.
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    3 drgs is doable, ran it the other day with 4 drg and a nin (5 melee fun times) the burst on nael was real
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    If you are pushing 4 meteors with three dragoons I have to question their dps rotations. Someone isn't pulling their weight.


    That said, keep a dragoon on Nael full time when the ghost spawns. You don't need 4 dps to kill it.

    You won't build the lb with your group comp but you don't need it. Just make sure someone is always on Nael.
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    How close is the add spawn and the push to phase 4? If it's all a matter of the timing of the LB, try having one of the dragoons stack with the tank and LB2-ing Nael right before heavensfall- after the add's aoe, but before heavensfall actually comes down. They'll be pushed out with the tank, but they should still be able to bait supernovas with no problem. Only use this with LB2 though, your dragoon will most likely die if they try it with LB3.

    You can also build limit break by having the black mage stack with the tank during megaflare and manawall when Nael jumps on the tank. I've had groups use that before.
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    If you have to keep the WAR because they have no other jobs, still have the PLD pick up the ghost and Nael. I'm assuming your WAR is likely putting Defiance up and tanking the add (or worse in Defiance the whole fight). If either is the case, your WAR should never put Defiance up in this fight unless the PLD goes down and they have to pick up the boss.
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    I'll just come flat out and say it. No point in babying anyone if they are looking to clear hard content. DPS needs work. I would tell each DPS they need to just do some research and study up on rotations and how to optimize dps on their class. Does anyone in your static run a parser? It might be a weak link in the chain and you could identify that way and then help that specific person out or even direct him/her to me or anyone on these forums and we could give tips. Bottom line though is that in that gear with echo, you should not even be coming close to having that problem. My group was pushing with only one heavensfall in i110 when echo first came out and T9 was put in DF to farm. Truly not trying to sound like an elitist, just being straight up with you. If you're group is serious about progression, they just need to work on it and get alot bette
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    As Garotte suggests, the time to improve rotations and overall DPS uptime is now. If DPS is a struggle in T9, it will be even harder in T10+ since all FCOB fights incorporate timed mechanics that punish groups badly for low DPS.

    You'll need to identify who is struggling and with what if you haven't already, or the group will not progress. Hopefully everyone shares the desire to improve and will be willing to act on constructive criticism.
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