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    Player radioactive_lego's Avatar
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    Angry Benediction Friction

    Hails,
    Have you ever attempted to pop Benediction (benny) on a busted up teammate only to have him die before getting healed? Worse still, the skill pops on yourself, unneeded?

    What techniques do you use to avoid this?
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    Danielle Leclair
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 60
    I just learned to use benediction at 20% instead of using it at the very last moment. Also i move/spam esc to cancel any possible skill queue so it goes off right when i want it.
    On the part of being used on myself, i can't say i've ever suffered this so can't help you there. I've heard that macroing helps but i really don't recommend using macros with benediction due the queues.

    Raging helps though
    https://youtu.be/37Wrm8hLzFQ?t=1m41s just replace hollowed ground with benediction
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    T'erra Branford
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 80
    All the time.
    I read that if you use a macro, I cant remember it exactly now, but I think it was just:

    /micon Benediction
    /ac "Benediction" <t>

    That it is only supposed to cast on your target. Hasn't worked for me though.
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    Saseal Korei
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    yeeaaahhhh..... I'm pretty sure all WHMs have had this (or will, if they're newer). A few times, I've bene'd and the action effects go off on the person.... who is on the ground (I guess it was some timing or some lag somewhere). Usually it just switches to me, though. It's annoying ._. Bene wasted for nothing on top of a long CD...
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    Player radioactive_lego's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
    All the time.
    I read that if you use a macro, I cant remember it exactly now, but I think it was just:

    /micon Benediction
    /ac "Benediction" <t>

    That it is only supposed to cast on your target. Hasn't worked for me though.
    So I switch to a whole other crossbar for going offensive on dungeon, and use that exact macro w/ <2> , instead of <t>, so I can Benny the tank in the middle of my holy spam (if you're not the tank and you get agro, sry but you're hosed). This actually works pretty good.

    I'll try <t> on my healing crossbars, (since I don't soft-target anything (I hard target everything)) and see if there's improvement.
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    Last edited by radioactive_lego; 05-08-2015 at 03:41 AM.

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    Buff Archer
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    From a macro perspective, based on how other abilities (like Lustrate) work, I don't think using <t> will make a difference in preventing benediction from not bouncing back to you if the target is invalid because they're dead... using <t> in a macro will do the same as using the regular version of the skill on your target. However, using it on a party slot number such as <2> where you have your tank like mentioned above would prevent it from casting on any target over than that person. Of course if you're in 8 person content where both 2 and 3 are tanks then that would lock the ability to a tank other than the one you want to use it on. If you have a keyboard with plenty of space you could always have one for benediction on slot <2> and one for it on slot <3> but that would take up too much valuable crossbar real estate for most controller users.

    By the way you can test if a macro will do this or not at a training dummy, since they aren't a valid target for healing spells. If it bounces back to you, you can expect the same from a just-deceased party member... if it doesn't go off at all, then you know it's locked to the specific target.
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    Last edited by Buff_Archer; 05-08-2015 at 04:00 AM.

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    Player radioactive_lego's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Archer View Post
    From a macro perspective, based on how other abilities (like Lustrate) work, I don't think using <t> will make a difference in preventing benediction from not bouncing back to you if the target is invalid because they're dead... using <t> in a macro will do the same as using the regular version of the skill on your target.
    I think the error comes from soft-targeting (after you hit the button once, next spell/skill everts to the last hard target) and people spamming the benny button. Since I hard-target everything (like a K&M player), the <t> should fix the accidental self-bennying, because

    /ac "any healing action"

    without the <t> will always try to cast on something (you or the hard target) even if your soft target is dead. I'll attempt on the test dummy to verify....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Archer View Post
    By the way you can test if a macro will do this or not at a training dummy, since they aren't a valid target for healing spells. If it bounces back to you, you can expect the same from a just-deceased party member... if it doesn't go off at all, then you know it's locked to the specific target.
    Seems Legit. And here I was about to send my Choco to solo Gorgi.
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    Last edited by radioactive_lego; 05-08-2015 at 04:41 AM.

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    Iam Groot
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Benediction has a built in delay, it's just like Holmgang. Using a macro can make it worse.
    I have had my whm benedict me, see the heal go off on me, and still die.
    There really is nothing you can do about it, until SE decides to fix it.

    The self targeting problem, is a little different, and the above poster has the correct fix as far as I know.
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    Yumi Umi
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    Wow at least u had it bounce back on you, mine usually doesn't hit anything when it misses the dead player.
    I guess cuz the animation went off just as the player died but it takes a second for the numbers to show up thus actually not healing them till the animation is like half way. When they die it still gets casted on them thus showing they recovered their max hp ( green numbers on screen ) while having 0 hp.

    Im just like wow ok not cool.
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    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Leo Strut
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    Benediction has a delay. You need to adjust when you use Bene based on the speed of the coming attack. It's the same as Hallowed Ground. I can't HG right before Akh Morn is about to hit. Instead I have to use it around 70% cast time, or it won't go off in time.
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