Shadow Flare needs a new effect.

[Zamii]

Hell I barely see other Smns use miasma 2 when I'm running dungeons.

since no one else seems to have pointed this out i guess i will.
Miasma II, including its full DoT duration, has a potency of 70 (not including contagion), which is lower than that of the potency of ruin which is 80, essentially your causing yourself a dps loss to keep it up 100% of the time, if your going to use it at all, it should only be with contagion (although personally i find it to MP inefficient, similar case to monks using fracture) or to AoE multiple mobs

[Crescent_Dusk]

Which is pretty easy, if you know the fight at all. . .

Assuming the tank is not an asshole who takes sadistic pleasure in moving mobs out of your shadowflare.

[Viridiana]

Assuming the tank is not an asshole who takes sadistic pleasure in moving mobs out of your shadowflare.

Well, yeah, but I didn't think we were stacking the odds against shadow flare, here.

[Bigcat9715]

since no one else seems to have pointed this out i guess i will.
Miasma II, including its full DoT duration, has a potency of 70 (not including contagion), which is lower than that of the potency of ruin which is 80, essentially your causing yourself a dps loss to keep it up 100% of the time, if your going to use it at all, it should only be with contagion (although personally i find it to MP inefficient, similar case to monks using fracture) or to AoE multiple mobs

Wow what a Shitty ass ability. So, is it better to bane then spam blizzard 2, and pray that you don't run out of mana? Why give Smn such a lame AoE, then tried to make it up by taking away thunder 1 and giving us blizzard 2?

[Nanaho]

And here I thought this would be a thread about Shadowflare's lame spell effect. Anyways I still think Shadowflare could use a significant cast time reduction if not instant cast.

I really don't get it, why a bard can go planting his aoe without a cast time while we rely on a swiftcast cd. But that thought also applies to DoT's as well.

Biggest issue with that is the fact BRDs cant keep fire arrow up 24/7 like Shadowflare. That's why they get instant cast, theres periods of time (30 seconds i believe?) where they cant use it at all.

[pandabearcat]

Wow what a Shitty ass ability. So, is it better to bane then spam blizzard 2, and pray that you don't run out of mana? Why give Smn such a lame AoE, then tried to make it up by taking away thunder 1 and giving us blizzard 2?

Math is not very hard.

Blizzard II does 50 pot/target.
Miasma II does 70 pot/target, 120 w/ contagion singletarget.

Miasma II > blizz II assuming adds last that long.

All classes run out of mana (or tp) aside from BLM. So yes, you will run out of mana spamming Blizz II, like everyone else. Up to you to decide whether the mana efficiency is worth it.

What you should be asking is why Tri-disaster is worthless (in non-niche, bind situations).

[Fainto]

Wow what a Shitty ass ability. So, is it better to bane then spam blizzard 2, and pray that you don't run out of mana? Why give Smn such a lame AoE, then tried to make it up by taking away thunder 1 and giving us blizzard 2?

He was talking about Miasma II being 70 potency on a single target. It is 70 potency on every target hit so if there are two targets to hit it is worth more than a Ruin. You should keep Miasma II up on multiple targets (especially in dungeons). So AOE for SMN is basically all DOTs baned, shadowflare, miasma II and then blizz II spam until you need to refresh one of the previous. This is on top of your pets abilities (both garuda and ifrit have AOE abilities). SMN AOE is not bad at all.

[Crescent_Dusk]

It's not bad in a vacuum, compared to Black mage it is absolutely bad.

[File2ish]

I really don't get it, why a bard can go planting his aoe without a cast time while we rely on a swiftcast cd. But that thought also applies to DoT's as well.

Bard's flaming arrow is instant cast, but has it's own separate cooldown timer that is longer than the duration of the DoT area, whereas shadow flare is on GCD with a cast time and can be maintained throughout the entire fight.

[VanilleFang]

i would LOVE vulnerability up on SF!!!

also, aetherflow should be changed to 50% cooldown

enkindle should be on a 2 min cooldown

bane should affect unlimited targets in a SF radius area

if they made these changes smn=fixed

If this went through SCHs would be way too strong.

SMNs may need something like this, but these are (except maybe Enkindle buff) bad, bad, bad ideas.