General tip to all healers; everywhere

[MXMoondoggie]

I really wish they implemented damage done chart after a boss battle like in frontlines.

It would cause more problems than it solves. Every single run i did in DF where somebody is using a DPS meter is really annoying because all they do is copy and paste charts the entire run and troll whoever is the lowest DPS. I'd rather people get on with the task at hand then start comparing e-peener. Outside of premades you can't trust people to deal with that info maturely.

[Sida]

I think a chart shown after a DF instance, much like commendations, wouldn't be all that bad. That is, at the point where you're not partied anymore. You'd still get an idea how well you fared but the interest to shame the others (if they even happen to be on same server) is minimal.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

It would cause more problems than it solves. Every single run i did in DF where somebody is using a DPS meter is really annoying because all they do is copy and paste charts the entire run and troll whoever is the lowest DPS. I'd rather people get on with the task at hand then start comparing e-peener. Outside of premades you can't trust people to deal with that info maturely.

It can go both ways, though. Someone can think they know everything about their class and don't do anything wrong and not admit the lack of damage is their fault. Having numbers to present could prove otherwise or that he/she is right and the fault lies elsewhere. It's all about the player/group itself: Feel attacked for being pointed as the weakest link or think of it as an indication you could use some improvement.

[Cynfael]

It would cause more problems than it solves. Every single run i did in DF where somebody is using a DPS meter is really annoying because all they do is copy and paste charts the entire run and troll whoever is the lowest DPS.

That's really more like every run where you knew that someone was parsing. Anyone trying to use parse data to name and shame is asking to be reported.

The fact that a few people are both toxic and not-so-smart doesn't mean that the tool can't be enormously helpful; let's not be quick to toss the baby with the bath water.

[Sanguisio]

Yeah I agree, but I've had dps doing stupid things like BLMS rotation between B3 and F3 only, or MNKs staying in same spot.

[Cynfael]

Yeah I agree, but I've had dps doing stupid things like BLMS rotation between B3 and F3 only, or MNKs staying in same spot.

Yep. And many of these people, at least in my experience, respond poorly even to the least accusatory suggestion that they might see improvement with a tweak or two; they only believe it if they see for themselves and start to wonder how they are so much less effective than other players of the same class with comparable gear.

[spelley]

It can go both ways, though. Someone can think they know everything about their class and don't do anything wrong and not admit the lack of damage is their fault. Having numbers to present could prove otherwise or that he/she is right and the fault lies elsewhere. It's all about the player/group itself: Feel attacked for being pointed as the weakest link or think of it as an indication you could use some improvement.

As a DPS who doesn't use a parser, it is usually pretty obvious who isn't pulling their weight DPS-wise sans a parser. If they aren't keeping their DoTs/Debuffs up on the enemy or their own buffs up on themselves *most of the time* then you can tell they haven't got a rotation or are struggling with it. Simply stating "we need more DPS" will not help these people, they probably need some (gentle) guidance (though I personally wouldn't take that exact statement as being particularly critical/mean).

If they are roughly doing their rotation, there could be a lot of other reasons for their DPS being lower than you'd like:

1) Lower geared than you are used to. I know I see a lot of i130s running around now and some people have called my gear "terrible" at i105. I know I run low on TP doing AoE rotations even with invigorate because my damage is lower due to weaker gear and thus have to switch to single target for a bit if a bard isn't singing for me.
2) Lag/latency. This can really screw up keeping (de)buffs/dots at maximum up-time. It happens. I remember not being able to see any of my attack animations because my uTorrent decided to kick in randomly and it *really* screwed me up!
3) Mechanics. If I have to dodge a lot of mechanics as a Dragoon trying to stay in melee while avoiding their frontal cleaves/add AoEs, sometimes my shit is going to drop/my rotation will be thrown off. It happens, especially if you become the bosses 'favourite' target for some reason.
4) Tank having aggro difficulties. This happens usually with big pulls where the DPS is actually doing a LOT of damage but the tank is having trouble holding aggro and thus the DPS has to slow down. This is honestly pretty rare, especially with all the i130 tanks running around
5) Healer completely ignoring the DPS. This happens also pretty rarely. If I am *really* low HP without so much as a regen and I know there are some unavoidable bits of damage or "quick" melee AoEs that I likely won't survive, I will have to resort to using a bunch of my cooldowns to heal myself and play "scared" and move away more often.

In the end, it's usually a combination of 1/2/3 that is the problem. For those people who don't seem to "get" that they should have rotations, they should be pointed to resources and people should adjust accordingly. If they respond with hostility, then by all means call them on it.

[Sanguisio]

Yep. And many of these people, at least in my experience, respond poorly even to the least accusatory suggestion that they might see improvement with a tweak or two; they only believe it if they see for themselves and start to wonder how they are so much less effective than other players of the same class with comparable gear.

And my opinion on that is they need get good, if a healer or tanks plays their class badly people are up in arms asap, but with dps people are like meh.

[MXMoondoggie]

And my opinion on that is they need get good, if a healer or tanks plays their class badly people are up in arms asap, but with dps people are like meh.

Well i guess it's easier to hide in the pile and get carried as a DPS but it's not that hard to get carried as a Healer either loads are in denial about how bad they are because they are used to good groups making it easy on them. Most people don't care unless there is a wipe if the Healer is bad with a Tank good or bad is a lot more obvious because it means the Healer has to struggle more and the DPS have to attack less due to lack of control .

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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It's not a case about gear or rotation or mechanics. It's a case of stubborn players who refuse to acknowledge they're doing poorly. If you point out at some (for example) black mage doing a Fire III -> Blizzard III repeat-spam, they might hop on the defense chair and say whatever you would say is "wrong".

And about the statement of "we need more DPS", the OP isn't even providing all the information him-/herself. Maybe the healer actually did mention something but was omitted by the OP. Not all the facts are on the table. I wasn't even talking about the OP or whatsoever or whatever you replied to me. It was about numbers being able to aid those who want help or want to help. If not helping others, it could serve to help yourself. There are striking dummies ingame, but there's no way to tell whether you're doing better or worse each time you hit it.