Cleric stance = Commendation

[Spoekes]

i don't use cleric (as a whm) in low lvl dungeons because no regen until lvl 35 and most tanks drop really fast in low lvl. the dmg on low lvl is okay without cleric.

The problem lies in your high level gear when you do a LL-Roulette.
What you say applies to players in leveling gear with int and mnd on it.
Your DPS in highlevel gear (only mnd) without CS is infact laughable.

[Staris]

Anyone who doesn't cleric is new , lazy or bad.
Move on.

[oph]

Stance dance is the reason why playing Healers is not the most absolute snorefest in regular dungeons, also it's ridiculous how the DPS from the healer can contribute to a much faster clearance. I understand that sometimes you can't just DPS because the tank pulled a huge pack or the boss is hitting too hard to risk stance swapping, but right after you can hit that sweetspot that allows you to dance in and out of CS, it'll make things way more fun.

[VanilleFang]

Just my personal preference mind you, but that's how I stand.

Good thing you don't main healer. And stop spreading lies please.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'm new to healing, do my best to "Get Gewd" and if you don't like my heals than bring some damn potions next time.

My job as a healer is to heal, if I want to DPS I have Summoner, Ninja, and Dragoon to pick from. That's like telling a Tank to use Cure, it's not that he cant it's that it's not going to make much difference.

And actually, I assumed DoTs didn't get the buff since it's not upfront damage, so I was wrong get over it. Geez no wonder Tanks and Healers are the most underplayed jobs, you "Experts" are all a bunch of Elitist Pricks.

I'll start using Cleric to DPS When DPS uses Blood for Blood to Tank and Tanks use Cure to heal.

[Dualblade]

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Stating what CS does indeed affect isn't being an elitist prick, its just stating factual information, though atleast one person could have put their thoughts into nicer words.

Yes your job is to heal, and ultimately if everyone is alive and kickin enemy tail it's all good, more so in lower level dungeons where only the bosses could stand to use a little more dps help and they are the ones doing the most outgoing damage. That said as someone who (while not maining) has done quite a bit of healing...it can get damn boring just healing at times. Throwing in some dps makes things more fun and helps out, and learning how to stance dance especially when it comes to using Holy on lots of trash has been fun...still fun since I still got a bit to go to get my timing right for some encounters.

Also B4B is the best tanking tool, helps me keep aggro. WAR has a good cure for themselves...we'll get back to you on PLD cures, but stoneskin works close enough.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Stating what CS does indeed affect isn't being an elitist prick, its just stating factual information, though atleast one person could have put their thoughts into nicer words.

Yes your job is to heal, and ultimately if everyone is alive and kickin enemy tail it's all good, more so in lower level dungeons where only the bosses could stand to use a little more dps help and they are the ones doing the most outgoing damage. That said as someone who (while not maining) has done quite a bit of healing...it can get damn boring just healing at times. Throwing in some dps makes things more fun and helps out, and learning how to stance dance especially when it comes to using Holy on lots of trash has been fun...still fun since I still got a bit to go to get my timing right for some encounters.

Also B4B is the best tanking tool, helps me keep aggro. WAR has a good cure for themselves...we'll get back to you on PLD cures, but stoneskin works close enough.

Ya see, this is how you make constructive criticism. We learn some how. Any one that thinks I'm a bad healer should have seen me the first time I tried tanking. I was squishier than a dead Flan. But I got better. What matters is learning. Some people just don't get that. Not everyone just "knows" how to do a job on the game and even fewer can do it well without practice and help.

Dualblade, I'd Listen to your advise all day, others however, who are trolls at best and elitists at worse can go fall on their own blades. Remember, no matter how good you are, everyone was a noob once.

[Blessedbythesun]

Interest. I won't but in but share my experience. I'm a main SCH. I've gotten very comfortable with stance dancing with CS but I noticed a trend that is quite different from the OP. In many dungeon runs, I've noticed that I've usually gotten 0 commendations compared to the ones I was stuck clutch healing large pulls and carrying DPS during boss fights, or in some cases where I got lazy and didn't want to DPS at all. It was actually very frustrating to the point where I'd feel like I did some real work with efficiently juggling healing and support DPS with no deaths, but no recognition but how easy some one would be like "awesome heals" when I stuck to healing and over curing at the slightest bit of HP loss.

Healers shouldn't just stand there when they have a clear and safe opportunity to comfortably aid in DPSing in dungeon runs. Then if that's how they want to play, then let them. Better for them to be full heal than forgetting why they are their when they DPS.

[MicahZerrshia]

My job as a healer is to heal

Honestly this is the motto of the lazy healer..

Let's throw out the roles of the royal trinity and look at what your role really is...to enhance your party. If you are not dpsing and just sitting there watching tv because no healing needs to be done you are not enhancing your party and therefore not fulfilling your role. Any job should be using the abilities at their disposal to enhance the run. I dps on heals, I use my songs on bard, I even use abilities like eye for an eye and resurrection when I'm on smn, and if the healer goes down I heal on blm/smn and even pull out titan to try to save us if the tank goes down, because it enhances the overall party and I learned early on how to play my job. I have seen brand new healers dps, they sometimes fail, but that's how they learn and usually the pts are good with it. Only becoming a problem when it causes too many wipes, which it really never does.

Never state something as a fact, like healer dps is insignificant, if its just an assumption. You know what they say about what happens when you assume...

[Kaiser-Ace]

Honestly this is the motto of the lazy healer..

Let's throw out the roles of the royal trinity and look at what your role really is...to enhance your party. If you are not dpsing and just sitting there watching tv because no healing needs to be done you are not enhancing your party and therefore not fulfilling your role. Any job should be using the abilities at their disposal to enhance the run. I dps on heals, I use my songs on bard, I even use abilities like eye for an eye and resurrection when I'm on smn, and if the healer goes down I heal on blm/smn and even pull out titan to try to save us if the tank goes down, because it enhances the overall party and I learned early on how to play my job. I have seen brand new healers dps, they sometimes fail, but that's how they learn and usually the pts are good with it. Only becoming a problem when it causes too many wipes, which it really never does.

Never state something as a fact, like healer dps is insignificant, if its just an assumption. You know what they say about what happens when you assume...

I use the same DoT rotation for SCH as I do SUM (It's the same combo of Arcanist DPS skills so it's not hard to remember) and I throw Stone 1 & 2 every now and then when the trash is well managed. But I still don't use Cleric. I've never seen a team, no matter what job I'm playing, that was doing their jobs right and the Healer was the "Make it or break it" DPS. If the Healer's Holy spell is the deciding factor between Victory and Wiping there is a DPS problem here. If every thing is dying fast but the Tank's HP is STILL dropping like a Lead Golem in the Rohtano then the Tank has issues that need to be fixed desperately.

The Healer is the ONLY position that can reliably heal the group. As both a DPS and a Tank I can remember numerous occasions where the wipe was solely attributed to the Healer running around in cleric because it was "Faster". If we wipe three times because you heal like a lvl 1 Thaumaturge then "Faster" is the exact opposite of what happens.