Cleric stance = Commendation

[AskaRay]

My damage as a healer is relatively insignificant and Cleric doesn't effect DoTs so I simply don't use it.

Whoa there partner, I don't care if you don't want to DPS but don't be spreading lies here.

CS definitely absolutely affects DoTs.

[cgbspender]

WhM at high level is definitely strong. Holy obviously, crits at 1100/1400 + stuns any enemy in range. But that's not all. Even a combo Aero/Earth2/Presence of Mind will strike an average of 800/950 and crits above 1200.

Having such a WhM in a party is a huge asset for the whole team.
Saying otherwise is plain misinformation.

[IveraIvalice]

WhM at high level is definitely strong. Holy obviously, crits at 1100/1400 + stuns any enemy in range. But that's not all. Even a combo Aero/Earth2/Presence of Mind will strike an average of 800/950 and crits above 1200.

Having such a WhM in a party is a huge asset for the whole team.
Saying otherwise is plain misinformation.

I think I'm gonna have to call bs on those numbers, though I agree with everything your saying.
I main whm and dps all the time. My nirvana zeta is built for crit and max det. I'm ilvl 128 and when I cleric stance holy crit, I do maybe 1200 max. That's in the highest lvl dungeons, ak hard, KotL, and WP hard.
I'm not gonna lie, that was from my memory from about 3 days ago so I don't got my own numbers in front of me but I'm pretty sure I never got above 1210ish. So what mobs are you getting 1400 on?

[cgbspender]

I think I'm gonna have to call bs on those numbers, though I agree with everything your saying.
So what mobs are you getting 1400 on?

It's usually in parties of 8 players or alliances, when I get superbuffed by all Requiem Foe and such. I don't crit at 1400 all the time, it happens casually. The average is indeed 1200/1300. Also, I suspect not all mobs have the same Mdef, and that would probably explain the slight fluctuation between 1150/1400. I rarely used a dummy for testing my whm, those numbers are what I get from (mostly) WoD, and the expert dungeons, and a few trials where I have enough time to cast a few holy.

For the record, my set is also based on Crit/Det/SpellSpeed. You may or may not get the same numbers with anything different.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'm new to healing, do my best to "Get Gewd" and if you don't like my heals than bring some damn potions next time.

My job as a healer is to heal, if I want to DPS I have Summoner, Ninja, and Dragoon to pick from. That's like telling a Tank to use Cure, it's not that he cant it's that it's not going to make much difference.

And actually, I assumed DoTs didn't get the buff since it's not upfront damage, so I was wrong get over it. Geez no wonder Tanks and Healers are the most underplayed jobs, you "Experts" are all a bunch of Elitist Pricks.

I'll start using Cleric to DPS When DPS uses Blood for Blood to Tank and Tanks use Cure to heal.

[Dualblade]

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Stating what CS does indeed affect isn't being an elitist prick, its just stating factual information, though atleast one person could have put their thoughts into nicer words.

Yes your job is to heal, and ultimately if everyone is alive and kickin enemy tail it's all good, more so in lower level dungeons where only the bosses could stand to use a little more dps help and they are the ones doing the most outgoing damage. That said as someone who (while not maining) has done quite a bit of healing...it can get damn boring just healing at times. Throwing in some dps makes things more fun and helps out, and learning how to stance dance especially when it comes to using Holy on lots of trash has been fun...still fun since I still got a bit to go to get my timing right for some encounters.

Also B4B is the best tanking tool, helps me keep aggro. WAR has a good cure for themselves...we'll get back to you on PLD cures, but stoneskin works close enough.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Stating what CS does indeed affect isn't being an elitist prick, its just stating factual information, though atleast one person could have put their thoughts into nicer words.

Yes your job is to heal, and ultimately if everyone is alive and kickin enemy tail it's all good, more so in lower level dungeons where only the bosses could stand to use a little more dps help and they are the ones doing the most outgoing damage. That said as someone who (while not maining) has done quite a bit of healing...it can get damn boring just healing at times. Throwing in some dps makes things more fun and helps out, and learning how to stance dance especially when it comes to using Holy on lots of trash has been fun...still fun since I still got a bit to go to get my timing right for some encounters.

Also B4B is the best tanking tool, helps me keep aggro. WAR has a good cure for themselves...we'll get back to you on PLD cures, but stoneskin works close enough.

Ya see, this is how you make constructive criticism. We learn some how. Any one that thinks I'm a bad healer should have seen me the first time I tried tanking. I was squishier than a dead Flan. But I got better. What matters is learning. Some people just don't get that. Not everyone just "knows" how to do a job on the game and even fewer can do it well without practice and help.

Dualblade, I'd Listen to your advise all day, others however, who are trolls at best and elitists at worse can go fall on their own blades. Remember, no matter how good you are, everyone was a noob once.

[MicahZerrshia]

My job as a healer is to heal

Honestly this is the motto of the lazy healer..

Let's throw out the roles of the royal trinity and look at what your role really is...to enhance your party. If you are not dpsing and just sitting there watching tv because no healing needs to be done you are not enhancing your party and therefore not fulfilling your role. Any job should be using the abilities at their disposal to enhance the run. I dps on heals, I use my songs on bard, I even use abilities like eye for an eye and resurrection when I'm on smn, and if the healer goes down I heal on blm/smn and even pull out titan to try to save us if the tank goes down, because it enhances the overall party and I learned early on how to play my job. I have seen brand new healers dps, they sometimes fail, but that's how they learn and usually the pts are good with it. Only becoming a problem when it causes too many wipes, which it really never does.

Never state something as a fact, like healer dps is insignificant, if its just an assumption. You know what they say about what happens when you assume...

[Kaiser-Ace]

Honestly this is the motto of the lazy healer..

Let's throw out the roles of the royal trinity and look at what your role really is...to enhance your party. If you are not dpsing and just sitting there watching tv because no healing needs to be done you are not enhancing your party and therefore not fulfilling your role. Any job should be using the abilities at their disposal to enhance the run. I dps on heals, I use my songs on bard, I even use abilities like eye for an eye and resurrection when I'm on smn, and if the healer goes down I heal on blm/smn and even pull out titan to try to save us if the tank goes down, because it enhances the overall party and I learned early on how to play my job. I have seen brand new healers dps, they sometimes fail, but that's how they learn and usually the pts are good with it. Only becoming a problem when it causes too many wipes, which it really never does.

Never state something as a fact, like healer dps is insignificant, if its just an assumption. You know what they say about what happens when you assume...

I use the same DoT rotation for SCH as I do SUM (It's the same combo of Arcanist DPS skills so it's not hard to remember) and I throw Stone 1 & 2 every now and then when the trash is well managed. But I still don't use Cleric. I've never seen a team, no matter what job I'm playing, that was doing their jobs right and the Healer was the "Make it or break it" DPS. If the Healer's Holy spell is the deciding factor between Victory and Wiping there is a DPS problem here. If every thing is dying fast but the Tank's HP is STILL dropping like a Lead Golem in the Rohtano then the Tank has issues that need to be fixed desperately.

The Healer is the ONLY position that can reliably heal the group. As both a DPS and a Tank I can remember numerous occasions where the wipe was solely attributed to the Healer running around in cleric because it was "Faster". If we wipe three times because you heal like a lvl 1 Thaumaturge then "Faster" is the exact opposite of what happens.

[axemtitanium]

I despise the Cleric Shuffle so much that even when I play healer I refuse to use it.

My damage as a healer is relatively insignificant and Cleric doesn't effect DoTs so I simply don't use it.

Keeping DoTs up is far more damage from my end with little to no investment involved and I no longer risk not being able to heal the Tank and DPS properly should some one take a Critical Hit to the face.

Just my personal preference mind you, but that's how I stand.

Every part of this post is factually incorrect.