[Suggestion] SAMURAI

[Shougun]

@Shougun

Could you site your source for YP saying it will be a DD? I basically have no proof like yourself. But, having read this thread and many other on the subject. My money is on Tank. Especially consider both Ninja and Monk are already DD. Would be foolish to make all the far East classes one role. At this point I think SAM will more than likely be a healer before a dps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rview_summary/

I think that he feels that it fits DD and that some people would like it to be DD could be enough. I feel the armor will be fine being like dragoon (who has full metal AF, also seems fitting that a polearm user would share with Samurai someone who would have love for polearms :P). I suppose I don't share the opinion that jobs need to be distributed by culture but I respect your preference for it.

[Shippuu]

I think that he feels that it fits DD and that some people would like it to be DD could be enough. I feel the armor will be fine being like dragoon (who has full metal AF, also seems fitting that a polearm user would share with Samurai someone who would have love for polearms :P).

See, the main problem with SAM being a DPS now, is that it means if/when it gets added, as a DPS it's going to be wearing this armor:

Instead of this armor:

The former is the DRG dps armor of a new set in Heavensward, the latter is the Tank armor of the same set thematically. You tell me which one suits a Samurai better.

Whether Yoshi P feels it should be a DPS doesn't change the fact it was still in the running for a tank before, and is still the strongest candidate for a future tank.

[Nakiami]

Whether Yoshi P feels it should be a DPS doesn't change the fact it was still in the running for a tank before, and is still the strongest candidate for a future tank.

Dark Knight and Samurai were what the community were pushing for, as well as a two-handed sword tank. Dark Knight became the communities two-handed sword tank. I'm not going to say anything much more as for what Samurai will be because it's all what Yoshi feels what's needed for the game. I strongly hope it becomes a Damage Dealer, but it's all dependent on how they choose to implement it.

@Riastrad That would be a pretty sweet story line.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Dark Knight and Samurai were what the community were pushing for, as well as a two-handed sword tank. Dark Knight became the communities two-handed sword tank. I'm not going to say anything much more as for what Samurai will be because it's all what Yoshi the development team feels what's needed for the game. I strongly hope it becomes a Damage Dealer, but it's all dependent on how they choose to implement it.

@Riastrad That would be a pretty sweet story line.

FTFY, Yoshi is only one man who gets a vote, I am sure he relies heavily on his team when it comes to game balancing.


EDIT: Also I like the Seven Samurai idea as a story line! That would be pretty awesome!

[Shippuu]

Dark Knight and Samurai were what the community were pushing for, as well as a two-handed sword tank. Dark Knight became the communities two-handed sword tank. I'm not going to say anything much more as for what Samurai will be because it's all what Yoshi feels what's needed for the game. I strongly hope it becomes a Damage Dealer, but it's all dependent on how they choose to implement it.

@Riastrad That would be a pretty sweet story line.

As has been pointed out in this thread. There are other options than simply a 2H sword tank for Samurai. i.e. Dual wield katana/tachi+wakizashi. We do not have a dual wielding tank, presto. And again, if Yoshi P was so adamant on SAM being a dps it would have never been on the drawing board and in competition with DRK for a new tank.

[Kotemon]

There are other options than simply a 2H sword tank for Samurai. i.e. Dual wield katana/tachi+wakizashi. We do not have a dual wielding tank, presto.

Well, if you read or watch any of the documentaries or samurai dramas of Miyamoto Musashi (foward to 27:50). He pretty much made dual use of the Katana and shorter side-sword a legitimate aggressive fighting style. So yeah dual katanas could very well be either a DD or offensive tank stance for samurai.

PS: Its not a very good documentary, but the Japanese ones are hard to find with out seeing low quality tape clips)

[Shougun]

Well, if you read or watch any of the documentaries or samurai dramas of Miyamoto Musashi (foward to 27:50). He pretty much made dual use of the Katana and shorter side-sword a legitimate aggressive fighting style. So yeah dual katanas could very well be either a DD or offensive tank stance for samurai.

I wouldn't use that as a fact list.. Trust History channel to 'sell' history (not saying you were or not, the two sword part is real though). Certainly referencing history but I've already face desked a few times and I'm not even 30 minutes in.

Two swords sound fun~ How would you separate a single sword class from a two sword, like a Ninja one weapon comes in a pair? The single sword user would need something to set his weapon apart from the dual sword user and hopefully it was more than "one comes in a pair". Maybe Nodachi (Odachi) vs the medium and shorter companion?

[Kotemon]

I wouldn't use that as a fact list.. Trust History channel to 'sell' history (not saying you were or not, the two sword part is real though). Certainly referencing history but I've already face desked a few times and I'm not even 30 minutes in.

Two swords sound fun~ How would you separate a single sword class from a two sword, like a Ninja one weapon comes in a pair? The single sword user would need something to set his weapon apart from the dual sword user and hopefully it was more than "one comes in a pair". Maybe Nodachi (Odachi) vs the medium and shorter companion?

I know, but I guess that's how they do documentaries now days. All the other films and life stories I've seen were all subtitled and I cant locate those online for reference. The others being various Japanese films about the guy, and those are slightly fictionalized as well. The last good one I remember seeing was a 26 episode drama that went up to his duel with Sasaki.

[OMEGA_HACK]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rview_summary/

I think that he feels that it fits DD and that some people would like it to be DD could be enough. I feel the armor will be fine being like dragoon (who has full metal AF, also seems fitting that a polearm user would share with Samurai someone who would have love for polearms :P). I suppose I don't share the opinion that jobs need to be distributed by culture but I respect your preference for it.

I would love to say that that was Yoshi's words on the matter of SAM being a DPS but that is not really the case, that reddit article is paraphrasing things, his actual words translated to more along the lines of:

"We considered using Samurai instead of Dark Knight, but thematically it didn't fit. Also, if it were a tank would it be more considered a Shogun? Samurai might be considered a DPS, blah blah blah please look forward to it."

It was more along the lines of conjecture than statement. I believe we can call it little more than a 'musing' of the idea whether or not SAM should be tank or DPS. Much like what we are doing now.

snip talking about the same role being used twice.

I'd love to ask you how you know how Dark Knight will play?

Now for a bit of schooling, as someone who is quite literally IRL trained to be able to train and use: Small sword, Rapier, Bastard Sword (Zweihander), and proficient in Aikido (a modern martial art technique derived from one of the historically older martial arts forms) I can tell you, while wield a Katana and a Zweihander you might have both your hands on the weapon, however...they are COMPLETELY different in functionality, In order to stop an attack with a bastard sword generally you would stop it head on perpendicular to cause the reverb to make your opponent lose their balance. With a Katana because of the creation of the blade you would allow your opponent to glide off your blade to deflect an attack which then would hopefully throw them off their balance. They function completely different, so please stop saying its the same thing as DRK, its not, nothing the same save for you hold it with two hands, in fact that is not entirely true because there are many times in Aikido training with a Katana that you hold with one hand and apply pressure to the butt of weapon or use your free hand to give the blade movements a more fluid animation for countering an attack.

As for Small sword and Rapier both weapons at a glance look exactly the same, most people won't even be able to tell the difference between the two unless you physically hold it. There is a big weight distribution difference which allows each weapon to do things better or worse than the other. I hate to call people out like this, but when you've poured hours upon hours to perfect a craft like I have its a bit insulting for someone to say "they are exactly the same" over and over. Again, I'm not trying to call anyone out, but before you claim its exactly the same go pick up those weapons in real life and tell me they are the same, the weight balance is different, the over all weight is different, the design of the weapon is different, which in turns FORCES the user to use it different; meaning it CANNOT play the same.

[Shougun]

I would love to say that that was Yoshi's words on the matter of SAM being a DPS but that is not really the case, that reddit article is paraphrasing things, his actual words translated to more along the lines of:

"We considered using Samurai instead of Dark Knight, but thematically it didn't fit. Also, if it were a tank would it be more considered a Shogun? Samurai might be considered a DPS, blah blah blah please look forward to it."

It was more along the lines of conjecture than statement. I believe we can call it little more than a 'musing' of the idea whether or not SAM should be tank or DPS. Much like what we are doing now.

I didnt mean to say "this is how it is, SE confirms DD" just "appears to be his feeling" (musing), he has shown to change due to players and probably other devs (and they were thinking about it once before). But, I used that mostly in response to Mr. who said he feels all indications lead towards Sam being tank, and I said how so (with honest interest), seems to me like there are more indications to Sam being DD (not that either side has confirmation, just a bunch of feelings :P).

A domanese looking armor is interesting but also confirms little, they may has well have developed the armor for another Job that resides in the area or even a traveling dorma blacksmith who designed it abroad for foreign use. Could use that argument for that sword as well which looks very eastern influenced. (Not that it can't mean anything else either).

To prevent repeating myself now, since how I feel is in like 4 different posts lol, I'd really like to see scabbards at least for the Katana - that whole draw and insert animation needs to be in the game xD.

Also, just figured a good way to make a gil sink - actually give Samurai gil toss and just ignore the cries for a couple weeks as people spend billions on trying to one shot a boss. Right before they release anything really worthwhile, replace it with another balanced useful ability lol. (Joking.. maybe.. :P)