[Suggestion] SAMURAI

[KaedrianLiang]

/OP!

Tank samurai is going to happen, Mr.YP mentioned during PAX that Samurai was on the table. The two contenders were SAM and DRK, DRK won out because it fits best with the current lore. Far Eastern themes seem to hail from Doma which we only started getting acquainted with, so maybe deep into 3.0 we will see SAM.

We are about to learn a ton of stuff about Yuguri, and with that more about the combat arts of Doma. I'm excited to see how far they will go with the Far East theme in correlation to classes, what kind of healers and sorcerers hail from Doma?

When Heavensward hits they will probably start looking to making these decisions if they haven't already thought about it.

[Spoekes]

I wouldn't set DEX as it's mainstat.
I'm in no way a Samurai expert but I would connect them with STR rather than DEX. But again I have no clue about them.

Would also be clunky to have 3 tanks share a set and one other set for Samurai, wouldn't it?

[Rhaja]

As for Blue Mage not needing to wear heavy armor and still tank, WoW also has one other method that worked despite it being completely accidental; Warlock's Metamorphosis. When the beta of Mist came out there was a rune that caused a huge tiff called the glyph of demon hunting. It turned Warlock's into tanks. Not just tanks, but THE tanks. Warlocks were taking on bosses that they had no right to. The Glyph gave them the needed tanking abilities, and a massive armor buff. Naked, demon hunting warlocks had as much armor as other tanks did. Tie this into the Job crystal for Blue Mage and they can stick to light armor or even mage gear.

I'll will admit though, if they gave Samurai a focus on speed, mobility, and Kiai's (battle roars) it could stand out well enough from WAR. And Toss Gil. Toss Gil would be a boss range pull ability.

[Riastrad]

Imagine how the dungeon groups in Doma went down if they only had 2 Dps roles to work with...

No Sastasha clear for you!

[Alacran]

Speaking as a future DRK, who wanted the job as a a dps. The name i feel dictates the role, a Dark Knight wears heavy armor. It only makes sense that a Knight fits the role of tank. That being said a Samurai (to serve), for whom all can agree was first and foremost honor bound, would NEVER attack an enemy from behind. Honor kept them using the sword after guns were introduced to their lands. Honor demanded their lives should they break the Bushido code, and facing an enemy Honorably was the greatest service, duty, any Samurai could want. To attack from behind, to conduct ones self dishonorably was not a true Samurai's way.

[Rhaja]

Uh... You do know that's a whole lot of BS made up during WW2 right? Bushido was a loosely followed code, much like Chivalry. The first thing Samurai's were trained in was the bow, followed by a pole arm. The sword's were side arms, meant as a last resort.

BUT if we want to follow that line of thought, give them a front positional. If they're going t be wearing heavy armor, why not make it worth it? Hell Ninja's sneak attack is a front positional.

[Alacran]

Uh... You do know that's a whole lot of BS made up during WW2 right? Bushido was a loosely followed code, much like Chivalry. The first thing Samurai's were trained in was the bow, followed by a pole arm. The sword's were side arms, meant as a last resort.

BUT if we want to follow that line of thought, give them a front positional. If they're going t be wearing heavy armor, why not make it worth it? Hell Ninja's sneak attack is a front positional.

Never really liked using wiki as a reference but i'm being lazy today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

Also trick attack works better from behind.

[Rhaja]

Never really liked using wiki as a reference but i'm being lazy today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido

Also trick attack works better from behind.

Uh... you do know the link you provided does state that scholars have found modern bushido, which was started as propaganda during WW2, is not the same as early bushido right?

Also yes. Trick Attack works from behind with a debuff on the enemy. Sneak Attack does a tremendous amount of damage from the front of the enemy, which means it's possible for a DPS to get a bonus for being in front of the enemy instead of behind.

So... I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to point out with your post? That you prefer the romanticized version of samurai more?

[Alacran]

I prefer it to be more in line with a traditional Samurai as opposed to a lightly armored, fast attacking, dual wielding variant more often seen in more modern representations. The idea of a Samurai issuing a challenge to his enemy is an iconic one, to see it fall in line with Ninjas, Monks, and Dragoons behind the enemy breaks that image. As for Bushido, regardless of the date the word was used the ideals that make it up existed far earlier and were the basis of modern Bushido.

When looking at what we have currently 3 tanks (DRK, PLD, WAR), 3 healers (AST, SCH, WHM), and 6 dps (BLM, BRD, DRG, MNK, NIN, SMN), role distribution looks more than a bit off. I say Samurai (Katana) and Templar (Heavy Lance, Tower Shield) for new tanks, I say add a few more healers (i'm drawing blanks, best i have is Chemist), point being while dps will always be more popular it's already saturated in this game. Would it not be better to add Roles that are currently needed? A multitude of options, themes, and style of gameplay should not be the sole providence of dps enthusiast.

[Shougun]

The Samurai of war time would have attacked from behind, the Samurai of propaganda may have said they wouldn't. Though I suppose people like the one of propaganda otherwise they'd ask for a spear or a bow (which Samurai excelled at) vs a sword which was their secondary (practiced more later, but not because of being suddenly superior).

Thats probably another part of why I want to see Samurai DD, just to reduce the amount of serious exaggeration - indestructible super perfect sword soldier (Katana was completely capable of cutting though ). Poor western knights don't get that amount of love, in fact they get anti love... lol (at least it seems to me a lot of people assume they were a bunch of dumb brutes and dumb blacksmith, both far from the truth).

Its true that it is not really important to dispel anymore, not like we're facing a cult of Samurai trying to take over the world - but I've never been a big fan of any sort of self-gain exaggeration especially one that tends to be nationalistic. I've wondered if that is why SE frequently gives Samurai coin toss as an ability, to while keep some elements of fun romanticized Samurai but also to just say "hehe, most damaging attack depends on how much money you have" a make fun of the later period of an average Samurai.

Prefer Sam to be DD, would not rage if it was Tank - just really hope they add some sort soul (aether) into the blade then (durability given by self, and unique construction done to contain self).