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  1. #21
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    Skyhunter's Avatar
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    Skyhunter Ballad
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 100
    I will usually try and run a full run if I see DPS who are below the cap for the dungeon. I have tried the method of asking people's opinions, but then you get those who are, as previously stated "brain dead", or you have differing opinions and then people get angry when you don't agree with their side. As far as gaining XP goes though, I will usually run longer dungeons for the DPS since their que times are so bad. It also depends on how good the players are at their roles... if the players are really good, I will be more willing to do a longer run. If they are doing terrible and won't accept any constructive criticism, I'll try and finish it quickly.

    I don't do many speed runs though in either scenario. I'm not superb at them and a lot of DPS and healers aren't either in the lower level dungeons.
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  2. #22
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    JimboTCB's Avatar
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    Stubbo Mackenzie
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    I always just proceed on the assumption of a quick run unless someone asks for a full clear. Most of the time the rest of the group can't even be bothered to acknowledge me saying "hey" at the start of a dungeon, so I just get on with pulling unless the healer asks me to slow down.
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  3. #23
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    FizT's Avatar
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    Marie L'veaux
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 41
    Honestly, as a dps, I don't care. I'd rather the tank checked with his healer to see what they want. Speed run? Goferit, I'll keep up, as long as the tank and healer are ok, so am I.
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  4. #24
    Player Able's Avatar
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    New Gridania (Sargatanas)
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    Character
    Alinda Thorn
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Right now? I only get on for expert and then get off. So, the quicker I can get through that, the better. When Heavensward comes out, I'll want more patient tanks.
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  5. #25
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    Valkyrie-Amber's Avatar
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    Character
    Silver Tiger
    World
    Kujata
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 80
    Depending on level of duty and all but at 50 pulls of 3-6 groups maybe more if your confident and 2 have good parry and hp.
    Nothing worse than a paper tank. Also as a pld make sure you level cnj to 34 for stoneskin so healer can dps too.
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  6. #26
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    Dualblade's Avatar
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    Character
    Juyon Intoner
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    As Tank, Healer, and DPS I prefer "quick" runs pre-50 dungeons IE don't have to clear everything. I'm not opposed to full clears but the little bit of extra exp doesn't interest me as much. Even though achievments don't matter much that actually would matter to me more if someone said they wanted a full clear so they could go in every room for them.
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  7. #27
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    Darkside302's Avatar
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    Character
    Toon Link
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 60
    99% of the time it's going to be a quick clear. There have been times when I've had a member ask for an exp/full clear, and I'm happy to do it for them. I really don't like how some of you have referred to people as 'Brain Dead' for the response given when asked what kind of run they'd like. Honestly sometimes people don't really care what kind of run you do, or maybe they don't want to speak up because they don't want to be a bother to anyone else who is looking for a quick run. To call them 'Brain Dead' or think any less of them for that isn't accurate. I've been told 'whatever you'd like to do' when I'm tanking, and so then that's exactly what I do...(which is always a quick run). If they were to be upset with that then it's the fault of them for not asking.
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  8. #28
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    KikoriL's Avatar
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    Kikori Lyehga
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Carvaka View Post
    What do you mean by this one? I have started moving to the next zone when I only have one mob left, throwing tomahawks over shoulder as I go. Does this disrupt the healing role?
    Sida answered it here, but just in case you're looking for my name and missed the reply.
    Mana and TP regenerate far quicker when out of combat when in combat. Even if it's only a few steps between the mob being fought and the next in line, the time DPS and Healers can get to regenerate a couple ticks of points while the tank settles a pull is invaluable, especially for resource-extensive AoE users like WHM's Holy or MNK's Rockbreaker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber View Post
    Depending on level of duty and all but at 50 pulls of 3-6 groups maybe more if your confident and 2 have good parry and hp.
    Nothing worse than a paper tank. Also as a pld make sure you level cnj to 34 for stoneskin so healer can dps too.
    Parry isn't at all required for speedruns. The idea is to burn things down very quickly, which means both tank DPS is important and tank DPS for enmity generation is needed to keep up with such things as a Foe's buffed Flare.
    A self-stoneskinning tank in a speedrun is highly unlikely due to the fact that almost any speedrun pull in the game will consist of gather mobs, pop cooldowns, dodge aoe's (highlighted for spell interrupt emphases), and generate AoE enmity to avoid losing six enemies to the high DPS going out (which means a PLD's MP goes elsewhere). Anything under speedrun-sized pulls, a self-stoneskinning tank COULD help ease a rookie healer's burden, but that's a short lived window of practice for the healer.
    And healer DPS isn't dependent on a tank's self-stoneskin. Especially in WHM's case where Stance-Holy-Stoneskin the tank during the stun-Holy-Holy-Swiftcast Holy can drop mobs' health severely while keeping the tank safe.
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    Last edited by KikoriL; 05-16-2015 at 09:00 AM.

  9. #29
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    lvlagmarink's Avatar
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    Garlean
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    Character
    Magmarink Dragregory
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 80
    As much as i would expect from healers and dps, just do the dungeons enjoyably with mindset that people arent running it because they are forced to, but simply because it's an enjoyable dungeons to have fun.. By the meaning of this would be that i'm not against sac pulling, big pull, as such, but if wipes happen, i expect players not to start rage quitting or simply blaming someone without even fidning a way to make the party getting better
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  10. #30
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    Leadleaf's Avatar
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    Character
    Erilsa Leadleaf
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 90
    I'm noticing a trend of tanks that will fight a single pack for like 3 GCDs worth and then immediately speedrun as if they just remembered something. Most dps would have wasted cooldowns as now the mobs are chasing to the next camp. So yeah if you're wanting to speedrun, just make sure you know that you want it before you start.
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