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    I like the idea of a version of the Dancer job. I enjoyed it in Final Fantasy XI. However, with the lack of pure support jobs like some of the Everquest games have, Dancer would probably have to be a DPS/Support job like Bard and we already have that in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SummerSkye View Post
    I like the idea of a version of the Dancer job. I enjoyed it in Final Fantasy XI. However, with the lack of pure support jobs like some of the Everquest games have, Dancer would probably have to be a DPS/Support job like Bard and we already have that in game.
    Actually in XI it's a pretty effective TP-based healer, which is probably the direction they'd go if they added it to FFXIV
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    Actually in XI it's a pretty effective TP-based healer, which is probably the direction they'd go if they added it to FFXIV
    Mechanically DNC was all over the place, so that's not entirely accurate. It may have had abilities that were heals that consumed TP, but it was nowhere near an actual healer. It did have a relatively easy time staying alive and soloing things because its heals couldn't be interrupted, access to Utsusemi through /NIN plus their naturally high dodge.

    And consider me part of the fencing sword camp. Gunblades don't really fit RDM. Now if they were to introduce a new job centered on a gunblade I guess that could work.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Mechanically DNC was all over the place, so that's not entirely accurate. It may have had abilities that were heals that consumed TP, but it was nowhere near an actual healer. It did have a relatively easy time staying alive and soloing things because its heals couldn't be interrupted, access to Utsusemi through /NIN plus their naturally high dodge.

    And consider me part of the fencing sword camp. Gunblades don't really fit RDM. Now if they were to introduce a new job centered on a gunblade I guess that could work.
    Idk about that "DNC isn't always a healer" statement. I mean I pretty much was the healer in both merit parties, abyssea parties, and other endgame content. Also they were much better when you went DNC/SAM. It gave you power and better ways to keep your TP up for healing, and since they got their own stacks of Dual Wield trait /NIN was kinda pointless save for Utsusemi: Ichi/Ni which DNC really didn't need that much, unless you were soloing. If you have to classify it into a role, it would be considered a Support healer akin to SCH in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
    Idk about that "DNC isn't always a healer" statement. I mean I pretty much was the healer in both merit parties, abyssea parties, and other endgame content. Also they were much better when you went DNC/SAM. It gave you power and better ways to keep your TP up for healing, and since they got their own stacks of Dual Wield trait /NIN was kinda pointless save for Utsusemi: Ichi/Ni which DNC really didn't need that much, unless you were soloing. If you have to classify it into a role, it would be considered a Support healer akin to SCH in game.
    DNC was severely limited by recast timers. So on the one hand they could heal without fear of being interrupted, but could not do it at the frequency that is required from a healer in a party setting.

    Chances are we wouldn't have that issue here since the developer philosophy for abilities is that abilities are only limited by the GCD.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK View Post
    Idk about that "DNC isn't always a healer" statement. I mean I pretty much was the healer in both merit parties, abyssea parties, and other endgame content. Also they were much better when you went DNC/SAM. It gave you power and better ways to keep your TP up for healing, and since they got their own stacks of Dual Wield trait /NIN was kinda pointless save for Utsusemi: Ichi/Ni which DNC really didn't need that much, unless you were soloing. If you have to classify it into a role, it would be considered a Support healer akin to SCH in game.
    DNC was pretty much the dps version of brd(not as good) in xi. they could heal yes, but they could also buff the party with attack speed ect. they didnt have a duel wield trait, if i can recall they did need to sub nin for it
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    Last edited by SaitoHajime; 05-06-2015 at 11:11 PM.

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    Felicia Meracle
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    Interesting... so instead of a regular fencer sword, you'd suggest for the Red Mage to have a gunblade, along with taking advantage of having a gunblade and possibly some skills revolving around the gunblade.

    Personally, I'd rather that the Red Mage pick up and use a traditional fencer sword, but thinking about it, SE DID combine Archers and Bards into a single job role. (Much as some people seem to hate that) So... it's possible SE may combine gunblade warriors with the Red Mage, putting two into one role again.

    Right now though, I'm content with just the 3 upcoming roles we're getting now. (DRK! WOO!) Though down the road, I REALLY want to see Dancer (as a healer role) be the next job down the road after these upcoming 3 roles. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the next role after these upcoming 3 would be some kind of spellcaster DPS role.
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