DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[juniglee]

No it really isn't. That you think that my experience in this game is the only way to have a valid opinion on parsers is ridiculous and absurd.

I don't lack the perspective. You simply refuse to accept that my experience is in other mmos, because you can't understand that parsers are not limited to just xiv.

From a neutral standpoint.

Your raiding/parsing experience in this game is only applicable to this conversation.

Basically your experience with parsers in millions of other MMO's isn't very much relevant to the topic at hand - which is parsers specifically for FFXIV. You can have an opinion on parsers in general, and nobody will deny you that, but you are talking about a parser in this specific game, which may be quite different, so at least try to tie it in with your experience with parsers in FFXIV.

[SDaemon]

From a neutral standpoint.



Basically your experience with parsers in millions of other MMO's isn't very much relevant to the topic at hand - which is parsers specifically for FFXIV. You can have an opinion on parsers in general, and nobody will deny you that, but you are talking about a parser in this specific game, which may be quite different, so at least try to tie it in with your experience with parsers in FFXIV.

Yes it actually is. This topic isn't about end-game raiding in FCoB pre-echo. It isn't about how much dps and what strategies to use in T13 when it was released. It's about adding an in-game parser. Any experience with end-game progression raiding and the use and significance as well as the consequences of parsers qualifies someone to have a relevant and meaningful opinion on this subject.

[Jamein]

Yes it actually is. This topic isn't about end-game raiding in FCoB pre-echo. It isn't about how much dps and what strategies to use in T13 when it was released. It's about adding an in-game parser. Any experience with end-game progression raiding and the use and significance as well as the consequences of parsers qualifies someone to have a relevant and meaningful opinion on this subject.

To an extent, yes your past experience with parsers holds merit. However we are talking about the FF community and the FF encounters and the way players in FF perceive and use parsers.

Take this for an example, gearscore in WoW was a joke, jesus christ people held that in such high regard and they basically asked for absolutely stupid numbers to get into groups.
Now take FF, iLvl is their equivalent. While people still use ilvl to filter out people for groups, it is no where NEAR as absurd and abused as gearscore was back in the day.

So while they two things do have similarities and can be somewhat compared the way they are used, and the way the game uses them are different. You're talking about football and basketball. Both are played with a ball but used differently.

So now we go onto FF end game, I have been there, I know the end game community on my server, I know the community who uses parsers, I can tell you first hand how they use those parsers, and they don't scream for 700+ DPS or kick. This opinion is a little more valid than 'oh I used them back in this other game with this other community'.

Like I said, I'm not saying your opinion is invalid, but you need to bring a little more to the debate than 'A long long time ago in a game far far away'.

[RiceisNice]

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This is a matter of perspective. I've seen people require ilvl for farms that's higher than what drops within that instance. I've seen as high as ilvl 120 requirement for T9, and a good amount of ilvl 130 for T13 (which is impossible for my gear setup, mind you).