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    Quote Originally Posted by juniglee View Post
    Perhaps Yoshi-P already had this in mind when he came up with raids like the CT series. You can clearly see it even in design - there's 2 DPS players per light party, not just because DPS players are the majority, but because both players combined usually only end up having to hit a lower DPS threshold.
    I find this interesting, because as a healer, I often found myself wiping in Qarn HM (Cactus boss) and close to wiping in AK HM on the demon wall due to poor DPS, and yet it's me as the healer, having to compensate for poor DPS or lazy DPS to prevent wipes in these locations.

    But of course, as some people suggest, how dare I mentioned the fact that someone's DPS is shit and they're wasting my time, you know, me being a healer I should just shut up and DPS for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darra View Post
    I find this interesting, because as a healer, I often found myself wiping in Qarn HM (Cactus boss) and close to wiping in AK HM on the demon wall due to poor DPS, and yet it's me as the healer, having to compensate for poor DPS or lazy DPS to prevent wipes in these locations.

    But of course, as some people suggest, how dare I mentioned the fact that someone's DPS is shit and they're wasting my time, you know, me being a healer I should just shut up and DPS for them.
    I think you shouldn't help out. Let your group wipe so you CAN blame the DPS openly. Just like a bad healer or tank means you will likely always wipe, so too can bad DPS... yet the games design makes it easy to recover from this. If holding DPS up to standards is that important, why are you overlooking the opportunity? Mind you, I do think DPS should be held accountable in some regard, but I know that the holy trinity design doesn't really allow that for a game that is open arms to everyone (meaning there are many ways to get around bad DPS in most content).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I think you shouldn't help out. Let your group wipe so you CAN blame the DPS openly. Just like a bad healer or tank means you will likely always wipe, so too can bad DPS... yet the games design makes it easy to recover from this. If holding DPS up to standards is that important, why are you overlooking the opportunity? Mind you, I do think DPS should be held accountable in some regard, but I know that the holy trinity design doesn't really allow that for a game that is open arms to everyone (meaning there are many ways to get around bad DPS in most content).
    And then I end up in a group that wipes 2-3 times, wasting my time. It's a sad situation where I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darra View Post
    I find this interesting, because as a healer, I often found myself wiping in Qarn HM (Cactus boss) and close to wiping in AK HM on the demon wall due to poor DPS, and yet it's me as the healer, having to compensate for poor DPS or lazy DPS to prevent wipes in these locations.

    But of course, as some people suggest, how dare I mentioned the fact that someone's DPS is shit and they're wasting my time, you know, me being a healer I should just shut up and DPS for them.
    I wonder if Yoshi thinks that maybe the players who do play healer/tank and end up sticking with it tend to be better than the average player base. Healers and tanks tend to be very demanding jobs, especially in this game. Just like how the very same DPS players will avoid playing tank/healer for that same reason.

    These better than average players end up making the poorer DPS players look good though. When in fact they could be better. It's sort of a performance blanket.
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