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    Player Zaft's Avatar
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    Leo Strut
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaHoshino View Post
    I don't understand the "DPS optimization doesn't matter outside of raid settings" argument at all. No one says it's okay for a tank to not be able to hold hate or to take the boss for a walk in low-level content. No one says it's okay for a healer to not Protect/Stoneskin or not heal effectively in low-level content.

    A DPS' job is to deal damage. If they are not doing damage appropriate to the level of gear they are wearing, they are not doing their job. Period.

    Why is this considered acceptable?
    Because we can't have anybody with hurt feelings.
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    MirielleLavandre's Avatar
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    Gabrielle Beausejour
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    Halicarnassus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    Because we can't have any DPS with hurt feelings.
    Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

    I see this all the time in experts if I PUG them (hardly ever) -- tank does a rather large pull, I set up to Holy spam, PoM Holy, but the group that normally would be dead in 30-35 secs stays alive for well over a minute. Examine dps - they're in i130 -- so obviously it isn't a gear issue... but god forbid I try to point out rotations...(this using BLM for context). There's no bar to hold DPS to in this game, sadly, that can be used as a metric to gauge performance
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    Last edited by MirielleLavandre; 05-07-2015 at 07:52 AM.

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    VargasVermillion's Avatar
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    Val Vermillion
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    Tonberry
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...
    On a more positive note, it would be nice to have a harder time giving commendations if I can see exactly how well the other 2 to 4 players did in a run. The people that complain about parsers must be the same ones who are too afraid to tank or heal.
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre View Post
    Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...
    i have seen more than 1 healer go afk for some trials and WoD , maybe a heal here and there , but afk 90% of the time and no1 dies , easy content is easy.

    every boss has some DPS check mechanic in form of adds , or burst phase , and u can see if dps failed thanks to that. Too bad u can focus all your rage on a single DPS eh? :P

    Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now)
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    Lol Drg
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    Sephirot
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    Marauder Lv 30
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now
    A fight being solo tanked means there's actually less margin for laziness or errors. Titan, Ramuh, Shiva are all likely wipes if the tank makes a mistake leading to their death.

    The last 'lazy' fight for tanks was Titan Hard Mode or Labyrinth.
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