DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Massterchef]

Its always amusing to see people downplay the negative behavior that being able to freely harass people with parser numbers brings. Give personal parsers so players in statics can learn and improve, but adding it freely to be spammed in PUG content is just wishing and praying for toxic behavior.

For one, harassing people is already against ToS. Secondly, they are already "spammed" in Pug content. Any PC player that wants to view their own DPS which is a lot already have them, yet the Apocalypse of "toxic behavior" is not upon us.

[SDaemon]

For one, harassing people is already against ToS. Secondly, they are already "spammed" in Pug content. Any PC player that wants to view their own DPS which is a lot already have them, yet the Apocalypse of "toxic behavior" is not upon us.

The "apocalypse", as you cutely put it, isn't here because the situation we have now and the situation a public in game parser would cause are not even closely the same.

[Massterchef]

The "apocalypse", as you cutely put it, isn't here because the situation we have now and the situation a public in game parser, or supported add-on, would cause are not even closely the same.

Isn't it interesting that once again, you just completed second coil last month and you share the same view as others with similar progress in this thread? Anyway..


Even if parser's were legal that would not give anyone the green light to mock and ridicule player(s). Harassment is still against the ToS.

[SDaemon]

silly rabbit

Isn't it interesting that I have raided in other MMOs as well and know the value of a parser as well as the negative aspects of it? Hmmm how very intersting indeed. You have a odd standard of judging someone's opinion.

Parsers are also against the ToS, but that doesn't stop players from using them (not that I'd argue players shouldn't use parsers but the ToS doesn't stop actions from happening). Which is why you don't see an abundance of misuse with them. At present those who use 3rd party programs, use them primarily for their static progression and to improve themselves without openly talking about them to the community at large. The only issue at the moment is PS users.

[MythToken]

Isn't it interesting that once again, you just completed second coil last month and you share the same view as others with similar progress in this thread? Anyway..


Even if parser's were legal that would not give anyone the green light to mock and ridicule player(s). Harassment is still against the ToS.

Isn't it interseting that you seem to imply that the viewpoint of everyone else is invalid... hmmm.
Since adding an in game parser actually affects these very people, not just you?

[Welsper59]

Isn't it interesting that once again, you just completed second coil last month and you share the same view as others with similar progress in this thread? Anyway..


Even if parser's were legal that would not give anyone the green light to mock and ridicule player(s). Harassment is still against the ToS.

Please don't resort to constantly mocking progress in a single game. Parsers are not an FFXIV exclusive tool. Unless you know the circumstances of the individual you refer to (in that you know their MMORPG history), it's petty and incredibly stupid to throw **** like that as a mode of defense. Even if it were true that someone does not have the endgame experience from other games to find need to use parsers, the fact you resort to that implies you're out of actual constructive criticisms for the argument. As I'm neutral on the matter, you're simply harming the side arguing for official parser support when you do this. You're giving the impression that everyone on your side is petty like this.

[Massterchef]

Parsers are also against the ToS, but that doesn't stop players from using them (not that I'd argue players shouldn't use parsers but the ToS doesn't stop actions from happening). Which is why you don't see an abundance of misuse with them..

They are widely used for all and any content because people want to see their DPS. The fact that they are against ToS has nothing to do with the fact that there's rarely any misuse of them.

Isn't it interseting that you seem to imply that the viewpoint of everyone else is invalid... hmmm.
Since adding an in game parser actually affects these very people, not just you?

Having lack of perspective certainly doesn't make someone's opinion invalid. That being said, parsers already exist ingame on a wide scale, where are all the toxic effects that these player(s) are mentioning?

Please don't resort to constantly mocking progress in a single game.

It's funny how me pointing out a fact in this case, your current progress as it stands, is somehow mocking your progress. You're welcome to bring your viewpoint into the conversation but if it comes from someone that has little to no experience raiding, using a parser or meeting any DPS checks when content is relevant then it should be pointed out in the context of the conversation.

[SDaemon]

The fact that they are against ToS has nothing to do with the fact that there's rarely any misuse of them.

Actually it does.

It's funny how me pointing out a fact in this case, your current progress as it stands, is somehow mocking your progress. You're welcome to bring your viewpoint into the conversation but if it comes from someone that has little to no experience raiding, using a parser or meeting any DPS checks when content is relevant then it should be pointed out in the context of the conversation.

Except other than their progress in XIV you have no way of knowing. Someone could be purely a crafter in this game, but a hardcore raider in another MMO and you would judge their opinion as lowly as someone who has never raided and used parsers before. That is flawed.

No it doesn't, parsers being against ToS does not deter people from wanting to know their DPS.

Seriously? That wasn't my argument.

Me pointing out your perspective, in this case, not pushing content when relevant has nothing to do with the value of your opinion.

Pointing out my perspective? LOL

[Massterchef]

Actually it does.

Except other than their progress in XIV you have no way of knowing. Someone could be purely a crafter in this game, but a hardcore raiding in another MMO and you would judge their opinion as lowly as anyone else. That is flawed.

No it doesn't, parsers being against ToS does not deter people from wanting to know their DPS.

Me pointing out your perspective, in this case, not pushing content when relevant has nothing to do with the value of your opinion.

[Welsper59]

It's funny how me pointing out a fact in this case, your current progress as it stands, is somehow mocking your progress. You're welcome to bring your viewpoint into the conversation but if it comes from someone that has little to no experience raiding, using a parser or meeting any DPS checks when content is relevant then it should be pointed out in the context of the conversation.

My years of raiding mostly came from Vanilla WoW to Mists and from FFXI (though parsers were not needed there due to how things worked). Vanilla raids. TBC raids. WotLK raids. Heroic mode raids once in a blue moon towards the end of my play. I feel gross for acknowledging you on that though. /sigh It's sad really. You don't even realize what you do in this conversation. I'll just point out a small part of it.

The fact you retort with someones progress as a means to shut them down means you look to diminish their points. Your snide way of saying it means to look down upon that as a tool to do this. So you're using something like that as a means to mock. You don't even understand how the language you speak works. See how mockery functions there by pointing something unnecessary out?