DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Gilraen]

They are already used by any PC player that wants to know their own DPS which happens to be a lot of people. Where is the chaos and shaming en mass that you are talking about?

That's great and all... but I don't play on the PC so I don't know what my numbers are and frankly I don't care. I've never cared. I don't play games to 'push myself', I play them to have fun and relax. If you find it fun to push yourself then great, more power to you. Just don't drag me into your power fantasy, I don't want any part of it. Nor should anyone else be forced into your idea of fun. This is the concern. People using publicly accessible parsers to try and push others without consent. "But they're consenting to it by taking part." No, no they aren't. They are taking part to take part. Nowhere does taking part include giving consent to ridicule, be it constructive or otherwise.

[Darra]

That's great and all... but I don't play on the PC so I don't know what my numbers are and frankly I don't care. I've never cared. I don't play games to 'push myself', I play them to have fun and relax. If you find it fun to push yourself then great, more power to you. Just don't drag me into your power fantasy, I don't want any part of it. Nor should anyone else be forced into your idea of fun. This is the concern. People using publicly accessible parsers to try and push others without consent. "But they're consenting to it by taking part." No, no they aren't. They are taking part to take part. Nowhere does taking part include giving consent to ridicule, be it constructive or otherwise.

Your "arguments" are pathetic. No-one is pushing you into doing anything. It's a simple concept to grasp (except for you that is). If you choose to try joining a raiding team with aspirations of getting server firsts, then you need to accept that you'll be playing by their standards. Those people aren't approaching you and saying "join my team and do XYZ dps or I'll publicly shame you". Are you and those people you're "protecting", so pathetically weak minded individuals that you'll "feel pressured" into conforming to someone else's standards, when you aren't even going to be playing with them anyway?! If you choose to play with the top 5%, then you are by definition agreeing to their standards because you already share them or are willing to adopt them.

You constantly bring up the same argument time and again about how someone will be publicly ridiculed or harassed without once presenting any evidence that this would happen on the scale you're implying it would. Do you know why it wont happen on the scale you believe it will? 1: Not everyone is a dick, if you think that they are then you're a fool who should go find a therapist. 2: because the TOS forbids publicly naming and shaming AND it forbids harassment. An official parser does not mean that the official stance on harassment and naming and shaming will change.

Now this point I find bizarre:

I don't play games to 'push myself', I play them to have fun and relax. If you find it fun to push yourself then great, more power to you. Just don't drag me into your power fantasy, I don't want any part of it

If some of us find it fun to push ourselves and want others in our PF's or static groups to share the same idea, then please explain how we are dragging you into our power fantasy? Oh you mean because we can see your DPS numbers officially? That somehow means we're going to make you push yourself? Should you find yourself in a PF of one of us you seem to take issue with, you'll find 1 of 3 things happen if your DPS sucks: 1 you'll be kicked, possibly with the comment "your DPS is too low" or 2: You'll be kicked with a comment along the lines of "your dps sucks learn to play noob" or 3: Nothing will be said, and you'll be carried but you might not be accepted into the next group. Please enlighten me again, as to how you're going to be pulled into someone else's power fantasy. The fact of the matter is, you're not going to find yourself playing with the people you fear will ridicule you, and if you end up in a DF with them, so what? If your DPS is poor then they're already trash talking you behind your back and as long as they don't say "my parser tells me you are doing bad dps", then they can comment all they want on your DPS, without fear of reprisal, as long as it's not harassment.

[Massterchef]

That's great and all... but I don't play on the PC so I don't know what my numbers are and frankly I don't care. I've never cared. I don't play games to 'push myself', I play them to have fun and relax. If you find it fun to push yourself then great, more power to you. Just don't drag me into your power fantasy, I don't want any part of it. Nor should anyone else be forced into your idea of fun. This is the concern. People using publicly accessible parsers to try and push others without consent. "But they're consenting to it by taking part." No, no they aren't. They are taking part to take part. Nowhere does taking part include giving consent to ridicule, be it constructive or otherwise.

Post is pretty irrelevant to anything I've said. Nobody is pushing anyone. But this further solidifies my point that you really have no perspective on the issue.