DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Kallera]

Funny enough the main people I see complaining about tanks and healers...are healers and tanks respectively. Not saying dps don't complain, but they're hardly the sole suspects.

On another note, "poetics princess," I gotta use that someday. That's gold.

I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, I simply haven't seen it occur with any increased occurrence, or would agree with it if it did come up due to non-dps being already harder to obtain before a snowball of people start leaving.

[Welsper59]

I see a comment like this and before even going to your lodestone I can tell you're rocking full poetics gear and don't raid until you over-gear the content by 20 ilvls and echo is introduced.

This isn't about "I". Try gain a little perspective.

Speaking of perspective, I think it should be noted that you're just as guilty of the "I" argument. For starters, you're not even considering the perspective of how it affects the stability of players outside of highest tier endgame, which is exactly where the inevitable problems would occur. This player base (or any collective really) will, without a single doubt, take advantage of tools made available to misuse and abuse the system or others. If it's purely about the endgame use, parsers already exist and SE is okay with it, they just won't officiate its use. Why do you need them to officially allow it when they already accept that people do? Why do you want to remove the only safeguard players have in content that doesn't even need it? Why are you ridiculing others outside of this content the content it's primarily used for? You are the very problem people have against parsers, you just don't realize it because of your perspective on the matter.

[MythToken]

This is a good point, if you already have parsers, what is so dire about having them officially supported in game?

Wouldn't it be enough for SE to just say, we will allow you to use parsers, but we are not going to add them in game?

For the record I am not against parsers.
Parsers can give you a great view of what is going on if you are stuck.
And have a lot of other uses.

I just think that the SE should be careful in how they implement them.

[FrejyaAthenes]

I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, I simply haven't seen it occur with any increased occurrence, or would agree with it if it did come up due to non-dps being already harder to obtain before a snowball of people start leaving.

Oh, I wasn't trying to call you out. I just came in after visitting the "Healing Horror Story" topic so I thought it was appropriate.

Off-topic question: What's a Tanner? Is that the Japanese name for Leatherworker?

[Dante_V]

I think personal parsers for self dps should absolutely be added and it's absurd that you can't see your own dps. It would change absolutely nothing and promote better play. No one else would be able to see and the people everyone else is worried about seeing dps and causing drama already see your dps with their parser so claiming that will be an issue is redundant because it's something that is already occurring.

[Kallera]

Oh, I wasn't trying to call you out. I just came in after visitting the "Healing Horror Story" topic so I thought it was appropriate.

Off-topic question: What's a Tanner? Is that the Japanese name for Leatherworker?

I think its a throwback title, if leatherworker is now used there. I haven't updated my profile since forever.

[Welsper59]

I think personal parsers for self dps should absolutely be added and it's absurd that you can't see your own dps. It would change absolutely nothing and promote better play. No one else would be able to see and the people everyone else is worried about seeing dps and causing drama already see your dps with their parser so claiming that will be an issue is redundant because it's something that is already occurring.

The fact they don't officially support it is SE's tool to help prevent bad behavior on that matter. If someone calls you out on your poor DPS and mocks/kicks you unjustly for it, namely if they actually reveal your numbers or mention parsers, you'd have the opportunity to contact a GM about it and have this person suffer the consequences for their behavior as a result of third party programs. This is something you would NOT be able to do very easily if parsers were officially allowed. Situational mocking of someone is not an offense that violates the ToS just because you hurt someones feelings of their gameplay, afterall.

Most people know they shouldn't but the need to stroke their e-peen can be too much to resist for some. Mind you, in most cases, the groups actual need for parsers exists in hardest areas of content does exist, so generally speaking, everyone acknowledges they need to do so much to beat it. It's generally not a big deal to expose use of parsers in those types of groups, as long as it's not negatively impacting anyone (i.e. being used to mock someone). It's still not something you should openly reveal though, given the circumstance. Not really a big deal though.

[Massterchef]

Speaking of perspective, I think it should be noted that you're just as guilty of the "I" argument. For starters, you're not even considering the perspective of how it affects the stability of players outside of highest tier endgame, which is exactly where the inevitable problems would occur.

How does it currently effect the stability of players outside of endgame when non-console users that want to parse already parse? Unless you're saying that the state of the community is already in chaos with people getting kicked due to lack of performance en mass then that argument has no bearing because again, any nonconsole user that wants to know their DPS already is using ACT or XIVAPP. Despite that, community as it stands based on your statement is peachy.

This comes down to availability. Currently if you want to participate in endgame as a console user, youhave to rely on PC users for analysis. PC users that want to already do, Console users that want to can't.

[Irie]

Had a rather brilliant case yesterday. Ilvl 125 Brd in AK hm, who barely scratched the 200 dps limit. They were bad. On an amazing and mindblowing level. But you know what, I stopped giving fucks about this long ago. This is not about numbers, this is about ppls mindset. Even if they knew how bad they are, I highly doubt that it would change anything. Ppl will just keep reusing the same excuses they always do in this forum: "it's just a game", "I want to have fun", "I play the way I want to", you fuckin name it.
Prob I'm just tired of trying to give advices and either get bitched at or get no reaction whatsoever. I'm tired of ppl who don't just underperform, but underperform in an insane, almost masterly way and my personal solution for that was just to not use DF or use it as little as possible.

So yeah, I'm all up for parsers, but I don't think that an ig implementation would change anything. Ppl who want to improve, will improve and those who just want "to play for fun" will stay where they are right now with or without parse tools.

(PS: sorry if it sounded overly dramatic, but I kinda resigned when it comes to the topic of bad dps).

[Massterchef]

This is something you would NOT be able to do very easily if parsers were officially allowed. Situational mocking of someone is not an offense that violates the ToS just because you hurt someones feelings of their gameplay, afterall.

Not true at all. The harassment is what the focus on when banning or whatever conciquence they deem necessary. The fact that you are parsing is irrelevant even in the current ToS.