DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[MythToken]

So what if he does? If a healer keeps letting people die to survivable things, would you not kick the healer? If the tank never picks up adds, would you not kick the tank? But if a DPS does terrible damage, it's suddenly a sin to want to kick them? There is nothing elitist about expecting people to pull their weight in a fight. If you decided you want to play DPS, your job is to do a reasonable amount of damage because bosses don't kill themselves and DPS checks permeate the game. The people you play with have a right to know if you're not doing that job. There are 7 of them and 1 of you and nobody is entitled to impose upon 7 other people to carry their dead weight if they don't want to.

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

Again.

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

You will not get #2

[Ghasto]

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

I did say it, any party leader is well within their right to remove a player that is not playing to their standard.
In the case of healers and tanks it's obvious, with DPS it is not, this is where parsing comes into play.
Why don't you petition SE to also remove the party list from showing to anyone but the healers so nobody knows that they're not healing? or hide the enmity list from anyone who is not a tank?

[FrejyaAthenes]

I did say it, any party leader is well within their right to remove a player that is not playing to their standard.
In the case of healers and tanks it's obvious, with DPS it is not, this is where parsing comes into play.
Why don't you petition SE to also remove the party list from showing to anyone but the healers so nobody knows that they're not healing? or hide the enmity list from anyone who is not a tank?

Ideally isn't that there to let the other party members know when to pull back a bit? Least that's what I've done. I mean, I get what you're saying, but that sounds like more of a detriment than not having a dps meter.

[MirielleLavandre]

Why don't you petition SE to also remove the party list from showing to anyone but the healers so nobody knows that they're not healing? or hide the enmity list from anyone who is not a tank?

Honestly, as a WHM main, people would know if I'm doing my job correctly by if they die or not, with or without the party window. Same for tank - people don't need anything at all to know whether or not they are holding mob aggro or not. For both tank and healer, failure or success is clearly present just by the fight itself and by either wiping or clearing. DPS, however, can just slide by with no one knowing how well they are doing or not doing, apart from how fast or slow things die (or enrage timers - but even then, we can't know which dps is pulling their weight).

I think it a little unfair that I can be judged by how well I heal or tank with no meter or list needed whatsoever, but dps don't need to be held equally accountable. For this reason alone I'd support in game parsers -- for equality sake ^^

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You can actually see how big your numbers are and how often they come. Its really not that hard. Its how we did it in the old days, when we didn't have parsers =P

[siverstorm]

You can actually see how big your numbers are and how often they come. Its really not that hard. Its how we did it in the old days, when we didn't have parsers =P

Have fun sifting through your battle log then.

[SpookyGhost]

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

I hope that, if Camp #1 gets their wish, that it leads to improvement of DPS so that less people from Camp #2 feel the need to be able to kick others for their DPS. As long as DPS checks exist in the game, it's going to be a problem if you're the guy causing the failure of those checks or other people are being forced to go above and beyond to carry you through it.

[Asierid]

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

Again.

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

You will not get #2

So let's hold back the game because people don't want their feelings hurt?

Boo hoo. Step up and take advice and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There are people out there that want to better themselves and theorycraft rotations and DPS numbers within a raid, but those things cannot even be discussed because SE took the easy way out and is banning everyone discussing numbers to begin with.

Everyone else is being punished because some (few) people cannot handle being called out by some random asshole over the internet. Give me a break. Don't half ass the parser. Give us one that works with the group/raid, or don't even do it and hide behind the pathetic "drama" excuse like they always do when this comes up. There is no way around it.

Do your job right, or don't do it at all.

[MythToken]

So let's hold back the game because people don't want their feelings hurt?

Boo hoo. Step up and take advice and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There are people out there that want to better themselves and theorycraft rotations and DPS numbers within a raid, but those things cannot even be discussed because SE took the easy way out and is banning everyone discussing numbers to begin with.

Everyone else is being punished because some (few) people cannot handle being called out by some random asshole over the internet. Give me a break. Don't half ass the parser. Give us one that works with the group/raid, or don't even do it and hide behind the pathetic "drama" excuse like they always do when this comes up. There is no way around it.

Do your job right, or don't do it at all.

the 1% lol, so many things wrong with this line of thinking.

A solution that helps everyone is better than something that alienates the player base.

Also all the end game raiding in this game literally = mechanics > than all

[Asierid]

the 1% lol, so many things wrong with this line of thinking.

A solution that helps everyone is better than something that alienates the player base.

There is no solution that helps everyone.

A solo parser only helps the person using it. You don't know if that person is telling the truth or not (I do 300 DPS rite? l0l). It takes the trolling that already goes on in PF and makes it worse.

So no, your "fix" does not fix anything. This is like giving the passenger seat in the car their own steering wheel that controls the right side because they "are bored while driving". Let them discuss the directions right? It makes no sense and doesn't fix anything at all.

The "solution" would be to listen to the player base and just put one in and let everyone else sort it out. If you can't even do the content's level of DPS, you shouldn't even be there to begin with.