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    Quote Originally Posted by Gralna View Post
    mnk, your dps was lowest on that last try

    mnk, "yea, I was marked 4 times in a row, went almost 30 seconds without GL stacks"

    "sorry, but we gotta kick you"

    mnk, "..."
    Even with mechanics, there's no reason to be the lowest DPS short of poor gear or deaths on MNK. That being said anyone that would kick for low DPS is probably already parsing and knows how you rank according to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    Even with mechanics, there's no reason to be the lowest DPS short of poor gear or deaths on MNK. That being said anyone that would kick for low DPS is probably already parsing and knows how you rank according to everyone.

    Are we talking DF groups here? Would kicking people for low dps even be allowed in DF groups?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    Are we talking DF groups here? Would kicking people for low dps even be allowed in DF groups?
    Would kicking people for bad tanking or healing be allowable in DF groups? Why the double standard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    Would kicking people for bad tanking or healing be allowable in DF groups? Why the double standard?
    That question was purely rhetorical, thank you very much. No need to be edgy with an accusation of a double standard. By the way, I don't even see anybody bringing that up in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    That question was purely rhetorical, thank you very much.
    The fact that it's even a question, rhetoric or not, would suggest there is a double standard. Because kicking someone for their inability to perform their role beit tanking or healing is rarely questioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    The fact that it's even a question, rhetoric or not, would suggest there is a double standard. Because kicking someone for their inability to perform their role beit tanking or healing is rarely questioned.
    That takes some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that answer. As I said, no one even mentioned inability to perform tanking or healing roles. How did you even come to that conclusion? This sounds more like: "Oh, someone caught me in a logical fallacy. Might as well go along with it." Absolutely beyond reason. Can I quote you on that? It's actually kind of humorous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    That takes some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that answer. As I said, no one even mentioned inability to perform tanking or healing roles. How did you even come to that conclusion? This sounds more like: "Oh, someone caught me in a logical fallacy. Might as well go along with it." Absolutely beyond reason.
    Because we already see posts of people getting kicked for "Omg tank can't hold threat" and "omg healer let me die." It may not have happened to you, it may not have happened to your friends. But it DOES happen.

    There are two times I get a que as in progress for a dungoun.

    "Tank was an asshole."
    "Tank couldn't hold threat."

    I never get repped in on a DPS because "They couldn't do DPS", but this could be my own bias of not playing it as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    That takes some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that answer.
    No it doesn't. Kicking people for the inability to perform their role is something that is generally accepted DF included. Majority of the situations that people usually justify kicking for lack of performance are bad tanking/healing and not DPS. The fact that a question has to be asked whether is it acceptable to kick a DPS for being incapable of fulfilling his role is what I'm suggesting is the double standard whether you view it that way or not. If you believe that everyone should be held accountable then good for you. That doesn't mean the double standard doesn't exist in the context of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    Are we talking DF groups here? Would kicking people for low dps even be allowed in DF groups?
    Nope that would mean they'd be violating the rules of Vote Dismiss. If you were to be spontaneously kicked by a group of 3 who never spoke a word you could file a report and get those 3 players banned(idk how long) GMs can check everything from chat log to player positions, HP, and damage done to them at given times.
    Party Finders on the other hand are a more little touchy and someone can't just roll up in your PF and expect to be given a chance by every leader, that leader might have heard about you and kick you if wants. PF rules are mostly made by the leader, if Party Finder entry comment says Slaying ring is locked for him and you take it; he can file a report and you can get banned( like personally by a GM). This is why lootmaster is coming. Moreover, if he explicitly says the reason why he kicked you is low dps parsing then he can get banned. Mostly harassment SE doesn't want to see.
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    Last edited by AlereRaeder; 05-04-2015 at 05:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    Even with mechanics, there's no reason to be the lowest DPS short of poor gear or deaths on MNK. That being said anyone that would kick for low DPS is probably already parsing and knows how you rank according to everyone.
    Can't see the forest through the trees.
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