DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[FallenArisen0990]

This thread is the reason why I hate new age MMOs... - .-;;

[Warlyx]

Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

i have seen more than 1 healer go afk for some trials and WoD , maybe a heal here and there , but afk 90% of the time and no1 dies , easy content is easy.

every boss has some DPS check mechanic in form of adds , or burst phase , and u can see if dps failed thanks to that. Too bad u can focus all your rage on a single DPS eh? :P

Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now)

[Asierid]

This thread is the reason why I hate new age MMOs... - .-;;

Whew, this insightful comment really adds some weight into this thoughtful discussion.

With the exception of something like Demon Wall, do meaningful DPS checks actually exist outside of Coil? I mean, static raiders mostly will and do use parsers already. Generally speaking, the biggest problem if DF Coil runs are the issue is ignorance of the fights.

Titan EX does. Ifrit EX does. Ultima (both) does. There are only more enrage timers to go, it is basically the go-to test of DPS capability. We already saw how many people failed to beat the heart of Titan HM in 2.0 on top of actually dodging stuff, I find it hard to believe that 3.0 will be any different. Not that we can say anything, numbers are baaaaad.

[SDaemon]

Pretty much this.

Still of the belief that raiding and parser use only exists in XIV I see.

[RiceisNice]

Whew, this insightful comment really adds some weight into this thoughtful discussion.



Titan EX does. Ifrit EX does. Ultima (both) does. There are only more enrage timers to go, it is basically the go-to test of DPS capability. We already saw how many people failed to beat the heart of Titan HM in 2.0 on top of actually dodging stuff, I find it hard to believe that 3.0 will be any different. Not that we can say anything, numbers are baaaaad.

You also have the quadruple demon wall in AK HM... If it didn't leave you off on the mob set that you wiped on, I would've had at least 4 abandons there because of the dps. Mind you that you have to be atrociously bad to fail the dps check for this...

[Massterchef]

Still of the belief that raiding and parser use only exists in XIV I see.

The requirements, DPS checks, mechanics in other games are different. Raiding in XIV is not the same as raiding in Hello Kitty Island online. Your raiding/parsing experience in this game is only applicable to this conversation.

Like I said to you and the many naysayers. Not pushing content until it's nerfed is not a bad thing. But you're obviously lacking a perspective when coming into this conversation when you haven't experienced the requirement to meet a strict DPS check.

[siverstorm]

The fact you actually think that that reason is a cop-out, SCREAMS that you're ignoring everything logical to push an irrelevant want (i.e. parsers in this topic). The witch hunt comment indeed holds true with what you've stated so far, but I want to specifically point out that it's now also in regards to what you will do with official parsers. Outside of raids like Coil, I don't think there's really a necessity for a parser to exist. It's not like it's impossible to do typical DF instances outside of it, afterall.

Logical? Defending the frail feelings of dps players in this game is logical? This is the double standard lol. Everything you've said SCREAMS "no, don't attack the dps for being terrible, but tanks and healers? To the wolves". That's absolutely ridiculous.

Also I'm not going to comment on your example of the two healer party because you're making the unrealistic assumption that the content wouldn't be tuned appropriately. Or the fact that it's a common occurrence to go into experts with i100+ dps that can't even break 200 to save their lives. Making runs as slow and painful as you say.

And I've said it several times already, I won't be kicking out the players in 110+ somehow hitting less than the Shield Oats paladin. But with a sanctioned parser I don't have to worry about getting banned and can comment or offer suggestions. If it's a situation where it's met with attitude then it would end up VERY MUCH THE SAME WAY PEOPLE BELITTLE/HARASS/ATTACK HEALERS AND TANKS IF THEY FUMBLE. Why is this such a difficult concept for you? The dps shouldn't be exempt from this "just because". That's a ridiculous reason and just reaffirms my point that there's a double standard.

But of course I guess it's fine. Let the dps autoattack and afk in dungeons, their feelings are too sensitive. Since that's the mindset 90% of the anti-parsers have in this thread. Afraid to see the reality if they're playing abysmally. Even the suggestion of the "DmC score screen" how many Ds and Cs should the dps see before they clue in? They should start tuning all the dungeons to be survivable with 4 dps doing less than 200 each. Since people with your mindset are part of the reason why most players dislike tanking and healing in this game, let's just remove them entirely, sounds like jolly good fun.

[loldrg]

Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now

A fight being solo tanked means there's actually less margin for laziness or errors. Titan, Ramuh, Shiva are all likely wipes if the tank makes a mistake leading to their death.

The last 'lazy' fight for tanks was Titan Hard Mode or Labyrinth.

[FenreyVarnell]

Simple solution to any "drama" issue; Have it display at the end of a successful dungeon/trail/raid and make it an option in the Character Configuration. If you select to see your numbers, it lists your numbers at the end. If you don't, it doesn't and nobody can see your numbers. Problem solved. Heck, just make the whole thing a personal venture by only having it show your personal numbers and let us share numbers if we want.

I like this compromise. I always thought that DPS meters should be used for personal improvement only, because comparing e-peen just sets people up for drama.

[Gilraen]

Simple solution...

Can't believe so many people missed this, myself included. On the first page, no less. This is, by and far, the most perfect answer that anyone could come up with. I said to myself I'd keep out of this thread after seeing certain replies practically scream 'can't hear you, lalala!', but after seeing the above post I had to find this post. The only reason I can see this as getting any flak is from those who want to see other players' results instead of their own.