DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Jamein]

Well, looks like I came back the next day and the threads just repeating itself.
People with no parser or end game experience repeating the same assumptions that everyone who does use a parser is a big ol meanie that will ask for 700+ DPS or kick you from the group (lolwut?).
Then DPS classes saying it is absurd that they get judged on doing their classes main role, even when the game actively relies on enrage timers and timed add phases and DPS checks.

You can argue that right now it is fine because they can't shout at you in game for your DPS, but I can tell you if someone REALLY wants you out of the group because they are parsing you at something pathetic they will just kick you and not say a word, wouldn't you rather know why you were kicked so you could improve? Even so it doesn't happen much anyway if the DPS is fine to get through you wont get kicked. As I said before if you don't care about improving that is also absolutely fine, but you have to ask yourself is it fair to go into end game raids that require some sort of skill level on your class and drag 7 other people down because 'I only play how I want to play' which to me is an absolutely abysmal attitude to have when playing an MMO.

Tanks should tank.
Healers should heal.
DPS classes should alt tab and watch netflix apparently.

[Welsper59]

Then DPS classes saying it is absurd that they get judged on doing their classes main role, even when the game actively relies on enrage timers and timed add phases and DPS checks.

With the exception of something like Demon Wall, do meaningful DPS checks actually exist outside of Coil? I mean, static raiders mostly will and do use parsers already. Generally speaking, the biggest problem if DF Coil runs are the issue is ignorance of the fights.

[Jamein]

With the exception of something like Demon Wall, do meaningful DPS checks actually exist outside of Coil? I mean, static raiders mostly will and do use parsers already. Generally speaking, the biggest problem if DF Coil runs are the issue is ignorance of the fights.

And I personally don't care about a parser outside of end game raiding, hell just disable the thing in low levels/experts/towers so the people who don't care about DPS can do that content in peace (or even make it only visible to yourself in those low-mid tier duties). I even said in my post you quoted that if you don't want to improve that's fine but END-GAME has certain requirements to meet in terms of skill level. That requirement goes down with echo and with gear.

Although the extreme primals and the hard mode to an extent had DPS checks in them, back when people barely even had darklight.

[Welsper59]

And I personally don't care about a parser outside of end game raiding, hell just disable the thing in low levels/experts/towers so the people who don't care about DPS can do that content in peace. I even said in my post you quoted that if you don't want to improve that's fine but END-GAME has certain requirements to meet in terms of skill level. That requirement goes down with echo and with gear.

Although the extreme primals and the hard mode to an extent had DPS checks in them, back when people barely even had darklight.

Ah yes, I forgot about those Primal ones. That's true. That's also why it wasn't all that common to get done at the time lol. Somewhat similar to Coil.

[Jamein]

Ah yes, I forgot about those Primal ones. That's true. That's also why it wasn't all that common to get done at the time lol. Somewhat similar to Coil.

Yup, that's why I find it quite strange how people are so against a tool to measure your performance to an extent so you can see where you may need to improve. If you don't find that fun then great you obviously take your fun elsewhere in the game and that is fine, but if you find doing the end game content fun, playing your class a little better than just rolling your face across the keyboard is part of that and a parser would work wonders.

[VargasVermillion]

Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

On a more positive note, it would be nice to have a harder time giving commendations if I can see exactly how well the other 2 to 4 players did in a run. The people that complain about parsers must be the same ones who are too afraid to tank or heal.

[ShaneDawn]

On a more positive note, it would be nice to have a harder time giving commendations if I can see exactly how well the other 2 to 4 players did in a run.

This is true. Atm a lot of people always dib tanks/heals because they cannot see even if the dps did an awesome job. If some dps is pushing 500+ on a content where people usually go around 300, then I think that person has more than pulled his weight and deserves a comm.

I got more commendations playing my WHM for a few weeks for the zodiac weapon that ever as a dps, even though I consider myself a lot stronger on my dps classes.

[juniglee]

I find this interesting, because as a healer, I often found myself wiping in Qarn HM (Cactus boss) and close to wiping in AK HM on the demon wall due to poor DPS, and yet it's me as the healer, having to compensate for poor DPS or lazy DPS to prevent wipes in these locations.

But of course, as some people suggest, how dare I mentioned the fact that someone's DPS is shit and they're wasting my time, you know, me being a healer I should just shut up and DPS for them.

I wonder if Yoshi thinks that maybe the players who do play healer/tank and end up sticking with it tend to be better than the average player base. Healers and tanks tend to be very demanding jobs, especially in this game. Just like how the very same DPS players will avoid playing tank/healer for that same reason.

These better than average players end up making the poorer DPS players look good though. When in fact they could be better. It's sort of a performance blanket.

[Massterchef]

People with no parser or end game experience repeating the same assumptions that everyone who does use a parser is a big ol meanie that will ask for 700+ DPS or kick you from the group

Pretty much this.

[Darra]

I think you shouldn't help out. Let your group wipe so you CAN blame the DPS openly. Just like a bad healer or tank means you will likely always wipe, so too can bad DPS... yet the games design makes it easy to recover from this. If holding DPS up to standards is that important, why are you overlooking the opportunity? Mind you, I do think DPS should be held accountable in some regard, but I know that the holy trinity design doesn't really allow that for a game that is open arms to everyone (meaning there are many ways to get around bad DPS in most content).

And then I end up in a group that wipes 2-3 times, wasting my time. It's a sad situation where I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.