DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Ghasto]

Would be cool, and to those who are scared of parsing and declare it the harbinger of the end of the world, just get better.

The basics of your job aren't hard to grasp, and if you are having trouble understanding your job then take a look at the billions of job guides out there.
Fact is, people who parse and kick people for doing low DPS kick people who are doing abysmally low DPS, like sub 200, and there's no excuse for such poor play, most jobs you can hit one button over and over and do close to 300 or more these days, disregarding echo.

[ShinMetsu]

I was in a party for T13 the other day.
Our DPS was so low, depsite echo, that we almost got a 5th set of flare stars.
We reached the add phase at 7:30+
Virtually impossible to clear T13 because DPS was too low.

The reason was an assembly of bad DPS.
A single of those DPS in an otherwise good party might've been able to clear it, but what would that mean?
It would mean that this person is bad yet got a clear.
Now, this is not an entirely bad thing, but passing content without reaching the necessary skill level will leave players unprepared for the next content.


Much rather than your approach, i see it like this.

MNK is lowest DPS, but still strong enough to clear the content. Why would people kick him?
It's not like people would always kick the lowest DPS.

MNK is lowest DPS, below where he should be to actually get a clear.
He got targeted by mechanics? He lost Greased Lightning?
Where is he having issues, How can he improve his DPS, Where is he going wrong?
Instead of kicking him, the party could do an analysis based on the information provided.

Of course there is gonna be kicking people, there always is, regardless of official DPS tool or not.
But if there was an official DPS tool, it would give people incentive to do good.
It would give people some acknowledgement, recognition and appreciation as well.

Is it really for the best to leave bad players in the dark about their performance? Leaving them there to stay bad and rot?
I would see it as more of a positive change, even though it comes with downsides.
It also would take away from good players exclusivity, which they probably wouldn't like.

Although i don't see SE ever doing something like this anyway? :>

[SpookyGhost]

sure , wow is all about giving advice , fair competition , love , flowers , rainbow and unicorns !
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=kicked+low+dps

Forum results for kicked low dps (3,642)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vzpkRQwys

[Darra]

sure , wow is all about giving advice , fair competition , love , flowers , rainbow and unicorns !
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=kicked+low+dps

Forum results for kicked low dps (3,642)

I primarily played Vanilla WOW. Looking at the results, those posts your referencing are from a period of the last 5 years and those 3642 threads? If you actually bothered to look at the results properly, some of them are players asking for advice, not stating that they were kicked from a party, and some of them that were being kicked were stating they got kicked for too low HP, your results do not support the point you're attempting to make. Overall, even if most of them were supporting your point, how is that a problem? Especially when you look at how many subscribers there are in WOW. Tell me, are you anti-alcohol? Or anti-junk food? According to your logic, you're against parsers because SOME people can be assholes with them. By your own logic, you should be anti-gun, anti-alcohol, anti-junk food, hell, even anti-internet, after all, it's better to ban things that could be misused, isn't it?

[Averax]

I'd prefer it if you could see your own DPS, but have it be impossible to see anybody elses.

That way, you can know if you are doing all you can, but no one else can. So you don't have to stress about others judging you.

But then again, i don't care as long as things die.

[jumanjilover89]

I'd prefer it if you could see your own DPS, but have it be impossible to see anybody elses.

That way, you can know if you are doing all you can, but no one else can. So you don't have to stress about others judging you.

But then again, i don't care as long as things die.

i dont really understand this line of thinking because what if someone thinks their own numbers are fantastic, yet in reality they are abysmally low for their class/gear. they have nothing to compare themselves to.

would this be better than nothing? absolutely! however, it would still require research on your job and rotations, practicing on dummies, etc. which the majority are very obviously not willing to do.

[Asierid]

But then again, i don't care as long as things die.

That would be a solid argument if most of the endgame content (Relevant content, that is) wasn't on an enrage timer. You can't 123, and ignore positionals and mechanics, and gain victory over T13. It's just not how it works (but what people expect). Hell, try just doing a dungeon with a SCH that refuses to dot, a DRG not using buffs/positionals, and the SMN that just ruins to death. You'll change that tune quick.

Things don't die if DPS sucks. DPS sucks because there is no tool to use to get better (and because people are ignorant to their faults). The only people not wanting a full on DPS meter are the people not going to progression content where it is needed.


Quite frankly, if you're not doing pre-nerfed/duty finder raids/or even EXs, you really have no place to hate on parsers. If you want to be bad, stay in content that appeals to your DPS instead of holding back the group that actually wants to accomplish something. If that means staying in Wanders Palace normal because you refuse to get better, then so be it. The only people offended by this comment are the ones holding the game back because of said ignorance.

This game isn't even hard, but the lazy/ignorant few are making it that way.

[MythToken]

Maybe someone has already said this, but what if they only showed you your own dps number.
That way no one knows how much dps anyone else did.
Individuals could use the metric to adjust their strategy on fights to achieve better results.

This would keep players from being harassed about low dps, but still give the community and individuals valuable information.

[Ghasto]

Maybe someone has already said this, but what if they only showed you your own dps number.
That way no one knows how much dps anyone else did.
Individuals could use the metric to adjust their strategy on fights to achieve better results.

This would keep players from being harassed about low dps, but still give the community and individuals valuable information.

Information is only valuable if it can be compared, knowing only your own DPS does nothing for you.
Instead of bemoaning parsing because some people might get harassed, welcome it so they can improve.

[Asierid]

Maybe someone has already said this, but what if they only showed you your own dps number.
That way no one knows how much dps anyone else did.
Individuals could use the metric to adjust their strategy on fights to achieve better results.

This would keep players from being harassed about low dps, but still give the community and individuals valuable information.

Which was already mentioned as being useless. Why would I want to know my own number in group content. That benefits no one but yourself, which is the direct opposite approach one should be taking in content where teamwork is required.

This is like doing Titan. Sure, you dodged the landslides, but everyone else doesn't. BUT WHO CARES! You did your part!

That does not do anything towards the completion of the duty. Everyone has to pitch in. Without input from everyone, there is no point.

Do it right, or don't do it at all.