DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[MirielleLavandre]

I'm surprised this hasn't come up, but I think one reason why FF14, a Japanese game, doesn't really support parsers and such, is because it is expected that people will do their very best when they sign up for Duty Finder in JPN. It is shameful to show up to a trial/raid/dungeon with complete strangers, and perform poorly or be a detriment to the group. As many have noted, it is the idea that every single player needs to take responsibility for their own performance and not let down the group. None of this "I play how I want, even if I'm in i130 doing 200dps" -- rather, it is usually (not always, of course) "I play to the best of my ability so as not to be a hindrance to others in my group and ashamed of my own performance".

I'm not saying that parses or not are a cultural difference -- but I am pointing out that in many respects Japanese players, where this game is developed, will generally not need parsers to tell them they are doing badly. They know it, they take care of it, and they do all of this before entering into a public Duty Finder party so as not to disgrace themselves and let others down. NA, on the other hand, I've not seen quite this level of personal responsibility.

*Note - I know the major world first JPN groups parse - as is needed when doing cutting edge progression w/ no echo or overgearing*
*I'm Asian, myself, and yes -- the whole group before individual is very much a part of the culture ^^*

[Seig345]

Personally, now that I'm starting to play DPS more (mainly a healer), I wouldn't mind an end-of-encounter window that shows what the DPS was for just the DPS in the group. Doesn't need to show the class/job, or the names, just the scores and which one's mine.

Maybe not even scores, just a pop up saying where I stood compared to the other 3-4 dps in my party. Then I can just strive not to be in 4th/5th place. (or maybe that plus just my own dps score)

[SDaemon]

The requirements, DPS checks, mechanics in other games are different. Raiding in XIV is not the same as raiding in Hello Kitty Island online. Your raiding/parsing experience in this game is only applicable to this conversation.

Like I said to you and the many naysayers. Not pushing content until it's nerfed is not a bad thing. But you're obviously lacking a perspective when coming into this conversation when you haven't experienced the requirement to meet a strict DPS check.

No it really isn't. That you think that my experience in this game is the only way to have a valid opinion on parsers is ridiculous and absurd.

I don't lack the perspective. You simply refuse to accept that my experience is in other mmos, because you can't understand that parsers are not limited to just xiv.

Your entire premise to refuse someone's stance in this way is horribly flawed and just makes you look like a fool.

[FallenArisen0990]

Oh 3.0, you can't come any faster.

[juniglee]

No it really isn't. That you think that my experience in this game is the only way to have a valid opinion on parsers is ridiculous and absurd.

I don't lack the perspective. You simply refuse to accept that my experience is in other mmos, because you can't understand that parsers are not limited to just xiv.

From a neutral standpoint.

Your raiding/parsing experience in this game is only applicable to this conversation.

Basically your experience with parsers in millions of other MMO's isn't very much relevant to the topic at hand - which is parsers specifically for FFXIV. You can have an opinion on parsers in general, and nobody will deny you that, but you are talking about a parser in this specific game, which may be quite different, so at least try to tie it in with your experience with parsers in FFXIV.

[SDaemon]

From a neutral standpoint.



Basically your experience with parsers in millions of other MMO's isn't very much relevant to the topic at hand - which is parsers specifically for FFXIV. You can have an opinion on parsers in general, and nobody will deny you that, but you are talking about a parser in this specific game, which may be quite different, so at least try to tie it in with your experience with parsers in FFXIV.

Yes it actually is. This topic isn't about end-game raiding in FCoB pre-echo. It isn't about how much dps and what strategies to use in T13 when it was released. It's about adding an in-game parser. Any experience with end-game progression raiding and the use and significance as well as the consequences of parsers qualifies someone to have a relevant and meaningful opinion on this subject.

[Gilraen]

Despite two posts pointing out another rather brilliant solution to the parser quandary on the first page there seems to be no discussion on it's merits. Instead we STILL have people going back and forth about one not unlike the Frontlines parser, and the damage it may or may not do. What is so important about having the Frontlines parser that you'd ignore the much better option given by Nalien? Is it not enough to just see your own numbers or ask politely how everyone else fared? The worst that could happen is they say, "No." No harm, no foul unless you decide to make it that way.

Which brings us to harassment. It's real, it everywhere and it's been here since 1.0. The trials of just getting Cutters Cry and Aurum Vale runs back then is little different from those of people trying to get Coil runs or even dungeons. People kicking you out for not having iL110~ for Turn 5, getting yelled at for wearing out-of-role accessories in dungeons, being kicked for sticking up for new players in Story dungeons (yes, this has happened before in a Praetorium run I was in). The harassment is here and it's not going away, ToS be damned. A Frontlines parser would only add fuel to an already existing fire.

I don't normally back parsers because of the potential for harassment, but Nalien's parser idea is one I feel I can endorse without reservation.

[RiceisNice]

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Seeing damage dealt at the end of a successful dungeon run is incredibly black and white (inflation from add phases for example), and typically does not help in the case of dps not being responsible with their role (dealing damage and slacking in it)

[nuyu11]

This is remind me of my WoW time, every week I'm checking world of log to make the comparison between my main DPS and the best DPS from that web. Checking best DPS player build, study their rotation and best gear.
Other than Tanking I used to play as a DPS on my guilds, where the time that WindWalker Monk still at the top of the chart, this make me miss my Pandaren Monk. I'm not really good DPS at WoW my highest rank in my guild are 3rd place

[Jamein]

Yes it actually is. This topic isn't about end-game raiding in FCoB pre-echo. It isn't about how much dps and what strategies to use in T13 when it was released. It's about adding an in-game parser. Any experience with end-game progression raiding and the use and significance as well as the consequences of parsers qualifies someone to have a relevant and meaningful opinion on this subject.

To an extent, yes your past experience with parsers holds merit. However we are talking about the FF community and the FF encounters and the way players in FF perceive and use parsers.

Take this for an example, gearscore in WoW was a joke, jesus christ people held that in such high regard and they basically asked for absolutely stupid numbers to get into groups.
Now take FF, iLvl is their equivalent. While people still use ilvl to filter out people for groups, it is no where NEAR as absurd and abused as gearscore was back in the day.

So while they two things do have similarities and can be somewhat compared the way they are used, and the way the game uses them are different. You're talking about football and basketball. Both are played with a ball but used differently.

So now we go onto FF end game, I have been there, I know the end game community on my server, I know the community who uses parsers, I can tell you first hand how they use those parsers, and they don't scream for 700+ DPS or kick. This opinion is a little more valid than 'oh I used them back in this other game with this other community'.

Like I said, I'm not saying your opinion is invalid, but you need to bring a little more to the debate than 'A long long time ago in a game far far away'.