DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Magusrex]

A little early to ready the blacklist, eh?

Blacklist is full to RMT, but I like facts, truth and transparency. I make better decisions with more facts, that, can help my group succeed. MP is not limitless for a WHM, In a fight that that is close to wiping, knowing that one DPS is so much better than another could be critical, I raise the right one, we win and succeed, the wrong one we wipe. If I know someone is performing at one quarter the capacity as someone else and there is choice to heal/Raise one over the other, healing/raising the better player is the smart move for everyone.

[Magusrex]

LOL

1. That if far to optimistic and severely idealistic.
2. Someone will always be at the bottom.
3. This is a major reason why open use of parsers is bad.
4. An even bigger reason.
5. And yet another reason, trend?
6. This grossly assumes who is the majority and who is the minority and whose needs should be met.

I can't care what you are talking about, Business, School, Gaming, when you keep score performance raises, don't and performance drops. That is fact.

[Magusrex]

Blacklist....If I play with someone and their performance is so poor and it makes the experience so bad that I don't want to group with that person again, does that make me or anyone else who makes that choice bad? How is that any different from not wanting to group with a rude person again? they both ruin the experience of others.

[Kallera]

Blacklist....If I play with someone and their performance is so poor and it makes the experience so bad that I don't want to group with that person again, does that make me or anyone else who makes that choice bad? How is that any different from not wanting to group with a rude person again? they both ruin the experience of others.

The next post will be about how you are not an unforgiving lout in any way but are still human just like the rest of us.

I can come up with hypothetical players too, but I'm not so eager to use the blacklist or constantly gauging someone's worth to get out of a party. Am I bad for my choices?

[Kiara]

I think a ranking system was brought up in this thread which seemed like a good idea to me. Meeting the minimum DPS requirement would give you an A rank, S for going beyond that, and S+ to go even further beyond. People would want to get an A rank at the least and the system would encourage that (maybe if you get an A rank, you get some kind of small reward). That way you want to do good DPS (or even better DPS) but aren't being forced to by other player's.

This would be a good Positive Rewards / Goal System idea that would encourage players to strive to get better. We see stuff like this a lot in Action Games, like CAPCOM's Devil May Cry, or ratings at the end of Fighting Games. Maybe you get Bonus Tomestones, or other cool Rewards for getting S Rank, etc.?





That way, individual players can see their own Rank and strive to improve, without the toxicity and bullying / abuse that goes on with various people.

[Massterchef]

We don't need to add to that with a parser.

They are already used by any PC player that wants to know their own DPS which happens to be a lot of people. Where is the chaos and shaming en mass that you are talking about?

Excuses aside, you are just afraid that people will be able to identify your poor play with proof. Is it any surprise that you just completed second coil last month? Which would suggest you don't attempt content when it's relevant or have any perspective on DPS checks.

[Gilraen]

They are already used by any PC player that wants to know their own DPS which happens to be a lot of people. Where is the chaos and shaming en mass that you are talking about?

That's great and all... but I don't play on the PC so I don't know what my numbers are and frankly I don't care. I've never cared. I don't play games to 'push myself', I play them to have fun and relax. If you find it fun to push yourself then great, more power to you. Just don't drag me into your power fantasy, I don't want any part of it. Nor should anyone else be forced into your idea of fun. This is the concern. People using publicly accessible parsers to try and push others without consent. "But they're consenting to it by taking part." No, no they aren't. They are taking part to take part. Nowhere does taking part include giving consent to ridicule, be it constructive or otherwise.

[siverstorm]

How is that any different from not wanting to group with a rude person again? they both ruin the experience of others.

Because people are super sensitive and for some reason it's okay to shame bad tanks and healers, but if there's one or two bad dps in a pug farm group for coil I would like to know things like "who's not pulling their weight because the adds are still alive" or "hey, you see that enrage? That's really weird since no one died and we're all well over i120...."

The (minor) toxicity issue that people overblow on the forums is why I feel that the public in game parsing should only be allowable for the content where it actually matters (I.E. ex primals or coil).

Private personal in game parsers limited to trivial content (tower raids, dungeons, etc).

[MythToken]

E Is it any surprise that you just completed second coil last month? Which would suggest you don't attempt content when it's relevant or have any perspective on DPS checks.

This is unnecessary. The idea that we don't understand the importance of parsing, dps checks, ect. Just because we are not on the cutting edge of raiding is flawed logic. Can you stop attacking individuals who are not part of your self imposed elitist status, and talk about the issues at hand.

And for the record I have attempted/ beaten content before nerfs/overgear ect. Sorry that I don't care about it enough to do it every patch.

Information is important, dps efficiency is important. We get it.

I think there will not be shaming on a global scale, just because we have dps meters in game.
It is however naive to think it won't change the nature of the community at all.

And SE's hesitation to bring this to fruition is based on its player base, which probably has you as a minority.
Money talks.

tia

[SDaemon]

The (minor) toxicity issue that people overblow on the forums

Its always amusing to see people downplay the negative behavior that being able to freely harass people with parser numbers brings. Give personal parsers so players in statics can learn and improve, but adding it freely to be spammed in PUG content is just wishing and praying for toxic behavior.