DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Welsper59]

And I personally don't care about a parser outside of end game raiding, hell just disable the thing in low levels/experts/towers so the people who don't care about DPS can do that content in peace. I even said in my post you quoted that if you don't want to improve that's fine but END-GAME has certain requirements to meet in terms of skill level. That requirement goes down with echo and with gear.

Although the extreme primals and the hard mode to an extent had DPS checks in them, back when people barely even had darklight.

Ah yes, I forgot about those Primal ones. That's true. That's also why it wasn't all that common to get done at the time lol. Somewhat similar to Coil.

[Jamein]

Ah yes, I forgot about those Primal ones. That's true. That's also why it wasn't all that common to get done at the time lol. Somewhat similar to Coil.

Yup, that's why I find it quite strange how people are so against a tool to measure your performance to an extent so you can see where you may need to improve. If you don't find that fun then great you obviously take your fun elsewhere in the game and that is fine, but if you find doing the end game content fun, playing your class a little better than just rolling your face across the keyboard is part of that and a parser would work wonders.

[Massterchef]

People with no parser or end game experience repeating the same assumptions that everyone who does use a parser is a big ol meanie that will ask for 700+ DPS or kick you from the group

Pretty much this.

[ShaneDawn]

On a more positive note, it would be nice to have a harder time giving commendations if I can see exactly how well the other 2 to 4 players did in a run.

This is true. Atm a lot of people always dib tanks/heals because they cannot see even if the dps did an awesome job. If some dps is pushing 500+ on a content where people usually go around 300, then I think that person has more than pulled his weight and deserves a comm.

I got more commendations playing my WHM for a few weeks for the zodiac weapon that ever as a dps, even though I consider myself a lot stronger on my dps classes.

[FallenArisen0990]

This thread is the reason why I hate new age MMOs... - .-;;

[Asierid]

This thread is the reason why I hate new age MMOs... - .-;;

Whew, this insightful comment really adds some weight into this thoughtful discussion.

With the exception of something like Demon Wall, do meaningful DPS checks actually exist outside of Coil? I mean, static raiders mostly will and do use parsers already. Generally speaking, the biggest problem if DF Coil runs are the issue is ignorance of the fights.

Titan EX does. Ifrit EX does. Ultima (both) does. There are only more enrage timers to go, it is basically the go-to test of DPS capability. We already saw how many people failed to beat the heart of Titan HM in 2.0 on top of actually dodging stuff, I find it hard to believe that 3.0 will be any different. Not that we can say anything, numbers are baaaaad.

[RiceisNice]

Whew, this insightful comment really adds some weight into this thoughtful discussion.



Titan EX does. Ifrit EX does. Ultima (both) does. There are only more enrage timers to go, it is basically the go-to test of DPS capability. We already saw how many people failed to beat the heart of Titan HM in 2.0 on top of actually dodging stuff, I find it hard to believe that 3.0 will be any different. Not that we can say anything, numbers are baaaaad.

You also have the quadruple demon wall in AK HM... If it didn't leave you off on the mob set that you wiped on, I would've had at least 4 abandons there because of the dps. Mind you that you have to be atrociously bad to fail the dps check for this...

[SDaemon]

Pretty much this.

Still of the belief that raiding and parser use only exists in XIV I see.

[Massterchef]

Still of the belief that raiding and parser use only exists in XIV I see.

The requirements, DPS checks, mechanics in other games are different. Raiding in XIV is not the same as raiding in Hello Kitty Island online. Your raiding/parsing experience in this game is only applicable to this conversation.

Like I said to you and the many naysayers. Not pushing content until it's nerfed is not a bad thing. But you're obviously lacking a perspective when coming into this conversation when you haven't experienced the requirement to meet a strict DPS check.

[Malevicton]

If they're not willing to put in the effort to begin with, which is honestly the more common case (i.e. not giving a damn to "learn" their rotations/priorities or they're just being lazy in their i130 gear), they won't care what you say even if you single them out.

Yes. I don't think anyone's claiming that parsers will solve apathy. I only ever see anti-parse folks claiming to have heard that argument elsewhere (often from an ambiguously villainous elitist). But if you are making an active effort to improve then parsers are really handy. It's one thing to do your research; it's another thing entirely to apply that research. As it stands now, you just kinda have to hope that you're applying it the right way, and if you're not then to bad.

Also, as to the "clear your mind" bit: insulting someone's clarity usually does little to improve that clarity. You may want to make sure you are exemplifying your own advice before holding others to that standard.