DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[siverstorm]

I had not thought of it from that perspective and I only play my tank or healer. BLM is realistically retired because I wont wait int he queue. That is a very fair point and that is why no one is talking to you, there is not counter to your point.

Oh hell yeah. I've been saying that since page 5 on this thread and I'm a DPS main, haha. Didn't get a response until I started getting more blunt and even then it was the standard "qq toxic community" response. Hell, Massterchef said the exact same thing I did (calling the heal/tank issue a double standard) a few pages back and was met with nonsensical arguments the entire ride through.

[Magusrex]

WoW allowed meters. The only thing that actually annoyed me was when children(giving adults the benefit of the doubt...too generous) would spam them too often...But really, they were just proud of how well they were performing, and if that made them feel good I could tolerate it. It was extremely rare to witness anything like harassment. I think it is perfectly valid to post them after a failed or successful boss attempt. If your performance was so poor it would embarrass you, you need to own it and make changes and do better. The meters are working as intended IMHO in that case. Just being at the bottom is not embarrassing , performing at half of what you gear and level suggests, is, and I feel the people you are grouping with deserve to know if you are that bad. As someone else so eloquently said before, Tank and healer performance is readily available in the game for all to see and they have to own it, why doesn't DPS?

[LunaHoshino]

I don't understand the "DPS optimization doesn't matter outside of raid settings" argument at all. No one says it's okay for a tank to not be able to hold hate or to take the boss for a walk in low-level content. No one says it's okay for a healer to not Protect/Stoneskin or not heal effectively in low-level content.

A DPS' job is to deal damage. If they are not doing damage appropriate to the level of gear they are wearing, they are not doing their job. Period.

Why is this considered acceptable?

[Zaft]

I don't understand the "DPS optimization doesn't matter outside of raid settings" argument at all. No one says it's okay for a tank to not be able to hold hate or to take the boss for a walk in low-level content. No one says it's okay for a healer to not Protect/Stoneskin or not heal effectively in low-level content.

A DPS' job is to deal damage. If they are not doing damage appropriate to the level of gear they are wearing, they are not doing their job. Period.

Why is this considered acceptable?

Because we can't have anybody with hurt feelings.

[MirielleLavandre]

Because we can't have any DPS with hurt feelings.

Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

I see this all the time in experts if I PUG them (hardly ever) -- tank does a rather large pull, I set up to Holy spam, PoM Holy, but the group that normally would be dead in 30-35 secs stays alive for well over a minute. Examine dps - they're in i130 -- so obviously it isn't a gear issue... but god forbid I try to point out rotations...(this using BLM for context). There's no bar to hold DPS to in this game, sadly, that can be used as a metric to gauge performance

[VargasVermillion]

Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

On a more positive note, it would be nice to have a harder time giving commendations if I can see exactly how well the other 2 to 4 players did in a run. The people that complain about parsers must be the same ones who are too afraid to tank or heal.

[Warlyx]

Fixed it a lil. As a WHM I can get kicked, yelled at, and harassed if I don't do my job, just like a tank can. As others have said, it isn't fair that dps can just slide by under everyones radar since there is no way to legally tell them they are doing poor dps. DPS players know this -- which is why you'll see people having sub 200 numbers in i130 gear even in easy content like WoD...

i have seen more than 1 healer go afk for some trials and WoD , maybe a heal here and there , but afk 90% of the time and no1 dies , easy content is easy.

every boss has some DPS check mechanic in form of adds , or burst phase , and u can see if dps failed thanks to that. Too bad u can focus all your rage on a single DPS eh? :P

Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now)

[loldrg]

Tanks have it harder , since u cant go afk or lazy mode (well in some encounters u can , nearly all the primals are 1 tank only now

A fight being solo tanked means there's actually less margin for laziness or errors. Titan, Ramuh, Shiva are all likely wipes if the tank makes a mistake leading to their death.

The last 'lazy' fight for tanks was Titan Hard Mode or Labyrinth.

[Welsper59]

I don't understand the "DPS optimization doesn't matter outside of raid settings" argument at all. No one says it's okay for a tank to not be able to hold hate or to take the boss for a walk in low-level content. No one says it's okay for a healer to not Protect/Stoneskin or not heal effectively in low-level content.

A DPS' job is to deal damage. If they are not doing damage appropriate to the level of gear they are wearing, they are not doing their job. Period.

Why is this considered acceptable?

It's unfortunately acceptable because it's the least impacting role. Mind you, the majority of content in this game can be beaten by mediocre players regardless of role (or perhaps, some mediocre players for certain endgame content that isn't max tier). At this point in time, would you really take the time of kicking a bad DPS that has little impact on your actual progress of the instance you've ran at least 50 times already? We already let people slide sometimes in content, for example in LotA. I've had healers, tanks, and dps AFK from start to finish at the starting point. The reason? It's impossible to kick them in a rush group that just wants to get things done. Initial timer, mid-combat, and loot still being rolled on prevents kicking.

The only notable time you'd really care about output is actual endgame max tier (see actually difficult) content. Tanking and healing requires a lot more personal responsibility, hence why they stand out the most. DPS are a dime a dozen. In those cases, people already parse, so responsibility is there on the DPS end. It's not a matter of parsers saving people from this, it's the content at hand. If every single thing required a strict DPS check, FFXIV wouldn't be the open arms game it is. That's why it's acceptable.

Oh hell yeah. I've been saying that since page 5 on this thread and I'm a DPS main, haha. Didn't get a response until I started getting more blunt and even then it was the standard "qq toxic community" response. Hell, Massterchef said the exact same thing I did (calling the heal/tank issue a double standard) a few pages back and was met with nonsensical arguments the entire ride through.

The statement I shared in this post actually applies to your inquiry as well. It's the design of the game, which has nothing to do with parsers. Players that are looking to use parsers for this purpose outside of progressive max tier content are essentially going on a witch hunt.

[siverstorm]

The statement I shared in this post actually applies to your inquiry as well. It's the design of the game, which has nothing to do with parsers. Players that are looking to use parsers for this purpose outside of progressive max tier content are essentially going on a witch hunt.

That's a cop-out reason though. And making a pessimistic assumption that literally everyone will be using it maliciously. That still ignores the fact that your so called "witch hunt" EXISTS in the non-progression endgame content, nevermind the actual hardcore raiding content in the game. We were also talking about how tanks and healers can get flak even for a minor fumble (lost aggro, death from unavoidable damage, etc). If a tank or healer isn't performing to standard then it's impacting even the faceroll content. The whole point is that it shouldn't be acceptable but you're saying "it is what it is, people can be malicious as all hell to tanks and healers but who cares about dps". It's not okay that we can crucify one side and ignore the other lol.

And again, I'm already not kicking the piss poor augmented ironworks dps that I'm beating on my Yagrush WHM in trivial content. But maybe a sanctioned parser can help them see that they're not performing well at all.

Rambling aside, I fully support parsers for 14. In my views the positives outweigh the negatives, yes people are going to whine and complain about DPS, but in reality, they're already complaining about other things you and other people are doing/not doing. If these people get under your skin, blacklist/report/move on please

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