DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[Steady]

I always find that the people most opposed to DPS Parsers/Checkers are often the ones that don't even do the content which it'd be most widely used.

Why anyone who is a DPS would be afraid to know their DPS just suggests to me that they shouldn't be playing that role.

There are tools already that exist to parse, they just require you to have a computer to use them. Hell if your that concerned about it.. give an option to "Hide Dps" you can click.

[Asierid]

I always find that the people most opposed to DPS Parsers/Checkers are often the ones that don't even do the content which it'd be most widely used.

Why anyone who is a DPS would be afraid to know their DPS just suggests to me that they shouldn't be playing that role.

There are tools already that exist to parse, they just require you to have a computer to use them. Hell if your that concerned about it.. give an option to "Hide Dps" you can click.

But the bad people might talk bad about me.

There is no compromise here. All you have is a bunch of people who haven't touched progression raid content complaining that they don't want parsers touching their daily experts. That's all it will ever be by the way things are going.

[Steady]

But the bad people might talk bad about me.

There is no compromise here. All you have is a bunch of people who haven't touched progression raid content complaining that they don't want parsers touching their daily experts. That's all it will ever be by the way things are going.

oh, it's you again.

I'm still not sure how threads like these still exist. The last one I made in favor of parsers got me blocked from forums for a week for suggesting it.

In any case. The only content that needs parsed is that which it's difficult to clear without large amounts of DPS. No one cares what you parse for 90% of the content. Slow dungeons are just a risk of randomly queuing. But if you are doing current End Game content, you should care about your DPS when compared to others. If you don't you shouldn't be doing that content.

[Rath]

SE designs all of the content with a specific dps output required to beat it. All they need is to have a popup when a duty is completed or fail telling you if you need improvement,are doing satisfactory, or you are exceeding expectations. Nobody else needs to see it

[DGladius]

SE designs all of the content with a specific dps output required to beat it. All they need is to have a popup when a duty is completed or fail telling you if you need improvement,are doing satisfactory, or you are exceeding expectations. Nobody else needs to see it

People need to see other people's dps so they will know if the dps is good enough and who isn't performing to standards. If the dps isn't good enough in a hard content we should know which dps is dragging the group down, and if those dps aren't able to improve upon it they should be replaced. The dps replaced should then go work on what they are doing wrong and look to improve themselves. There's no need to be soft on dps who didn't take their time to learn their class optimally when there are many resources online to learn rotations from.

[Rath]

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A lot of the posts about parsers claim they want them for personal improvement, this is something SE could potentially let us have. If you were at satisfactory, and got yourself to exceeds expectations, you are improving. You can change gear etc. and check the differences. I don't use parsers in this game (used them in FFXI), and I have nothing against them. I just don't think they are needed in this game. It is very obvious when someone is trying or not, and as long as they are trying I really don't mind carrying them. It is the dead guy on the floor that was bossing people around I have a problem with.

If you want to use them to check on other people, and potentially remove/exclude them from content, SE will not touch that because it excludes people. All the topics in the world will not get us that type of a DPS meter.

What they could do, is keep an average score (not show actual DPS) for each job in that duty, and let you see your own score compared to that score. Being job specific, you will not be able to use it to exclude specific jobs as they won't be ranked against each other. This may be something they wouldn't shy away from at least.

[kpxmanifesto]

What they could do, is keep an average score (not show actual DPS) for each job in that duty, and let you see your own score compared to that score. Being job specific, you will not be able to use it to exclude specific jobs as they won't be ranked against each other. This may be something they wouldn't shy away from at least.

I like this idea, but the mechanism for scoring seems arbitrary to me. What would this score calculator use to calculate the score other than using statistics that are already commonly used(total damage dealt, DPS, total healing dealt, HPS, etc.)?

[Sebazy]

In all the hours, pugs, DFs, PFs, roulettes, sales groups, carry groups, friends groups, random 1am drunk runs and whatnot. I've *NEVER* yet once seen anyone asked to leave a party because of what a parser says. I've seen comments about people doing blatantly silly things (we're talking SMNs not using dots, BLMs only casting blizzard here) that you don't need a parser to realise that something is wrong but still, I've never seen someone removed over a group because of it. And it's not for want of experience, I suspect I helped carry half the level 50 community through Titan HM in 2.0 and likely sold it to a good portion of the rest.

The only time I've ever seen DPS be raised as an issue is within unabashed hardcore progression team raiding to strict attendance and performance targets.

And yet everytime this parser thing comes up on the OF. These threads would have you believe that it happens in every other PF farm team. I just don't see it quite frankly.

I do feel that the communities distaste for this sort of thing would make adding this kind of instance parse a bad thing overall though. Given this game's DPS checks in raid content, SE should implement the ability to self parse on dummies however. That is just inexcusable and lazy on SE's part.

[Natashio]

Here's a few guides..

Black Mage: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

Dragoon: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

Monk: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Temple-Reborn

Summoner: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Summoner-Guide

I couldn't find ninja's or bard's... I didn't feel like searching.

It's not rocket science. The bigger the numbers on the main and important secondary stats ultimately determine what the damage out is going to be. Parsers for a vertical progression game . I don't see the point. I never have. I also don't care if people use them. You do whatever you want.

[Eidolon]

It's not rocket science. The bigger the numbers on the main and important secondary stats ultimately determine what the damage out is going to be. Parsers for a vertical progression game . I don't see the point. I never have. I also don't care if people use them. You do whatever you want.

Using someone's gear as a measure of their DPS is a very inaccurate measurement.

Rotation is the biggest thing in this game. You can have full i130, and if all you do is press 1-2-3, you will not do as much DPS as someone in i110 doing their proper rotation. If you assume all things are equal, then yes, you are right - the one with the better gear will indeed do better DPS. But to think that it's the ONLY thing that matters "In a vertical progression game" is just... well. Wrong. =/


The next biggest thing, is uptime. Have you ever noticed the difference between a BLM who skiis their casts, versus a Black Mage who "Runs to the location to handle a mechanic"? Yes, both dodged /reacted properly. But the one who skiis will ultimately do more DPS, because of the ABC's of casting.

How about Melee on T13, during Phase 1? A DPS that knows how to step in/step out when not covered for earthshakers will do more DPS than one who runs all the way to the wall to drop the circles. Did they both handle the mechanics? Yes, but one handled it /better/.

Try comparing dragoons who have to interrupt the flow of their skills to back off an enemy / due to them jumping. If your DRG runs a rigid rotation, always doing the full 27 steps even when there's an interruption of 10+ seconds, they will lose more DPS than a dragoon that adapts around the rotation and reacts according to the downtime they get.