Echo buff only when there's a new player

[Sylkis]

Echo buff on party on if there is someone who hasn't cleared (sol bonus)

Reason for suggesting is that
-once you cleared something x times it doesn't help that much, only makes the fight boring (and no one is going to turn the buff off)
-more reason to help uncleared

Thoughts on this?

[Darra]

Will the buff only apply to the new person(s)? If 3 in a group have a clear and 5 do not, having no echo for some groups can be a bit brutal, it's not like 3 people with a kill (especially if they themselves were carried) can carry everyone else in some fights.

[Sylkis]

Will the buff only apply to the new person(s)? If 3 in a group have a clear and 5 do not, having no echo for some groups can be a bit brutal, it's not like 3 people with a kill (especially if they themselves were carried) can carry everyone else in some fights.

The whole party gets buff

[MrLeonheart]

Nah, it's fine the way it is and you can turn the buff off if you really want to.

[Devils_Lawyer]

1: Hover pointer over echo buff.
2: Right click on said buff.
3: Profit.

You can thank me later

And if people dont turn it off then clearly its cause they dont want to and forcing them will not make things better.

[Kitano123]

.......and no one is going to turn the buff off

Answered your own question.

[Sylkis]

Answered your own question.

That's because using echo is the norm because everyone else is. If the norm was changed to no echo it wouldn't make a difference to those that cleared before because they either don't care about farming it (just need to clear to move on) or the fight is already hammered into their heads that 10-25% makes no difference.


Thinking about how it affects the whole community instead of just your own group, it might be better for everyone?

[ElHeggunte]

That's because using echo is the norm because everyone else is. If the norm was changed to no echo it wouldn't make a difference to those that cleared before because they either don't care about farming it (just need to clear to move on) or the fight is already hammered into their heads that 10-25% makes no difference.


Thinking about how it affects the whole community instead of just your own group, it might be better for everyone?

I haven't the slightest clue why you think further restricting something that's already optional would benefit the community in any way.

[MageBlack]

You can turn it off right now cant you? why is this an issue?

[Sylkis]

I haven't the slightest clue why you think further restricting something that's already optional would benefit the community in any way.

If I reworded the topic to:

Give the party an extra echo increase when with a new player

Would that change it? It's the same thing

It's like fatigue in 1.0, everyone hated it but change the name to rested exp and everyone is happy when nothing has changed at all - non rested exp IS fatigue

You can turn it off right now cant you? why is this an issue?

Because more incentive to help new players because you can potentially kill the boss and get your loot faster

The other argument for the farm party is:
Even if echo was 10000% people would keep it on, and that's boring