Petition for removal of Vote Abandon

[AvalonBright]

Pretty simple. I'd like to get some support going for a removal of the Vote Abandon mechanic. There is NOTHING in this game that makes me want to just log out and quit for a week like such an awful concept as Vote Abandon. I can't even count how many times I've been in a duty finder group for thirty, forty minutes, gradually progressing and repeatedly getting extremely close to a clear, and then someone pops up Vote Abandon with 25-30 minutes still left and just wastes time. It is INFURIATING.

I don't care if someone is a whiny impatient jerk and drops group to give themselves a 30 minute penalty. I don't care if the group falls apart naturally and no one wants to wait for rank replenishment. What I care is having agency taken completely out of my hands and thrown at anyone who wants to just quit and give up. For two hours today I've been throwing myself at a Duty. One failed, the other is getting closer and closer, we've gotten it down to 10-20% health various times, only some simple screwups are causing issues. Nothing major. And then suddenly, with no less than twenty-eight minutes left, Vote Abandon pops up and I've just wasted the last hour and a half of my evening for absolutely nothing, and it wasn't even my choice to stop.

This has to be one of the worst mechanics I've ever seen and honestly I have no idea why it's even implemented other than to stop the first person who drops from getting a penalty--and let's be honest, the jerk who doesn't want to sit around a Learning Party is going to drop the group after one or two wipes regardless of the 30 minutes or not. All this is doing is forcing people who want to keep persevering until the end to have their time wasted by anyone who wants to quit.

If ANYTHING, Vote Abandon should be an absolutely unanimous vote, and nothing more. Why this can even pass when who knows how many people are still voting no is beyond me. Please, Square, get RID of Vote Abandon. It's nothing but a blight on Duty Finder.

[Riepah]

No. The only thing removing Vote Abandon would accomplish, is making people kick a random person just so they can leave with impunity.

[Able]

Lol, no. Terrible idea.

[Zophar]

Vote abandon can only be approved with a majority vote. If the majority of the group really feels it's worth leaving, it sucks, but it is fair. And, as has previously been said, if vote abandon weren't a thing, then it would just lead to that same majority punching an escape hole via vote kick.

[Dererk]

Or better yet if people choose yes on vote but majority says no the people who voted yes lose their looting rights in the duty. That way they will either just suck it up and clear it for the tomb stones or just eat the penalty. And to fix it so they couldn't kick people to get out with no penalty they lose their right to vote kick.

May be hard to tell but this isn't a troll reply im serious.

[ValkyrieL]

if vote abandons goes THROUGH....I'm sorry to say but the MAJORITY of the group wanted the F* out, just because YOU were not part of the majority does not mean the rest of the group has to be subject to repeated failure/lack of progression they see.

[seekified]

You're basically saying that a democracy ruling is a bad thing. Vote Abandon is there to help when at least half the party feels that they won't clear whatever they're doing and instead of kicking one poor sod they can end the instance peacefully. Someone'll still be raging in /p I'm sure, but such is life.

[LunaHoshino]

Vote Abandon is there to help when at least half the party feels that they won't clear whatever they're doing and instead of kicking one poor sod they can end the instance peacefully.

I usually see it used either in cases where it's clear the DPS is not high enough to clear the instance (Odin) or where most of the party obviously doesn't know the mechanics well enough to be able to clear without more practice (a T6 run I had the other day). It allows everyone to leave without penalty and prevents scapegoating or ganging up on someone for a kick.

I'd much, much rather something end with a Vote Abandon than with a cascade of ragequits.

[seekified]

I usually see it used either in cases where it's clear the DPS is not high enough to clear the instance (Odin) or where most of the party obviously doesn't know the mechanics well enough to be able to clear without more practice (a T6 run I had the other day). It allows everyone to leave without penalty and prevents scapegoating or ganging up on someone for a kick.

I'd much, much rather something end with a Vote Abandon than with a cascade of ragequits.

Same here - I've seen enough PFs labeled as farms and killgroups that turned out to be anything but. In all cases, Vote Abandon meant a tidy end to the run without insults.

[MXMoondoggie]

Things like kick and vote abandon can be abused but they are also needed so it's a bit of a double edged sword. It's not really fair for you to be able to hold people hostage in an instance they don't even want to be in anymore because it's going really badly. Vote abandon is the nuclear option i only see it happen when there isn't enough progress being made in a certain amount of time, people are just not getting it etc. The only other time is when a bunch of people left and nobody else is joining in progress. Everyone can leave and do something else.