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  1. #21
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    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Accuracy forces you to think about balancing other stats while hitting the cap and for those who pushes min max, tuning each turn's stats accordingly.

    Without accuracy is almost just dump it on crit and det.

    What kind of frustration is accuracy about? LOL.

    If accuracy can frustrate you then wait till you actually go into end game contents (don't even start talking about DF/PF woes) and we talk about frustrations.
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  2. #22
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    yeah, they can't remove it because there are not that much other stats to choose (and even the healers have pie to care about xD). but that makes acc not better...
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    It's just dumb. Game balancing aside, Bahamut Prime is huge and (story-wise), you'd be harder pressed to miss him rather than hit him. Especially if you're right next to him poking him with a Spear/Sword/whatever. And considering the accomplishments we've made as Warriors of Light, we should have no issue hitting the rear of something only paying attention to the Main Tank.

    On balancing... It just means that for the start of progression, you'll probably want to stack accuracy to ensure that you meet whatever arbitrary number is picked out for the required accuracy for your class. That's it. It's just a useless stat that doesn't really do anything apart from prevent us from getting other secondary stats. If you don't end up with enough accuracy, whoop-de-do pop accuracy food. That's literally it. And then eventually people figure out what the actual cap is so that other people don't have to go through the inane procedure of guessing how much accuracy they'll need.
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  4. #24
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    i think the acc is a relic from another time. so you couldn't move to some high lvl monsters and kill them. but with ilvl, party wide aoe damage and enrage timers we don't need the acc blockade anymore, cause we already have the other gearchecks.
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    Callinon Soulforge
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    I agree with the OP.

    Accuracy is not an interesting stat. You either have enough of it (probably too much) or not enough and become capable of missing. There's nothing skillful about reading a list of acc caps. And given that most jobs have at most two gear options for a given slot and item level, it's not even really a choice. The closest thing that came to a choice was whether or not to include it on a zodiac weapon, and that's almost universally regarded as a bad idea.

    People here arguing that reading a spreadsheet makes one "skillful" are missing the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tint
    i think the acc is a relic from another time. so you couldn't move to some high lvl monsters and kill them.
    It absolutely is. And there's a good reason MMOs have been moving away from it. Some to more action-focused combat where if you missed it's because you actually missed. Some to just making it a function of character level. Either way, it's an uninteresting stat who's time has ended.
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    Honestly thought this was a troll thread to start out with too...

    Acc has been around as long as Str, Vit, Int and the like before Final Fantasy came along and the only reason it wouldn't be in the game would be if the battle system is something like XV. Really if there was no Acc there would be no contest as to what stats each job would need (take Dragoon relic, crit and det for days) but with it yes, it does indeed add a bit of complexity to how you gear yourself. Removing it would probably require also making endgame enemies have higher def/mdef/more hp since hey, they will always be hit!

    Also you have to remember, if Acc is removed, so is evasion which also removes certain skills (not all, but some). So it would be a little more than just making everyone hit their target.
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    If FFXIV didn't already have the stat complexity of a Second graders math test, I'd be all for removing accuracy... I do agree that its an outdated stat from another era... and most games have done away with the concept.

    But at the same time I have to acknowledge when it comes to the stats in XIV, accuracy is really the only one that you have to consider if you have "Enough" of, its the only stat you really have to pay attention too. So claiming its not "skillful" may be true but its definitely the most important stat if you're not hitting the cap... claiming that somehow figuring out 130 > 120 is more skillful than capping accuracy is pants-on-head tarded. Neither are, the information is readily available online for most stat optimizing.

    Regardless, If they remove it, it needs to be replaced with something that involves at least equal or above the level of thought to put into it. This game is already bland as white rice when it comes to stat customization and character optimizing.. it doesn't need to be every further dumbed down with nothing compensating for it. Accuracy should be linked to Item Level if it is to remain, and if you meet the I.lv requirements to enter you should have the Accuracy to hit it. This would keep Accuracy in the game but automate it to your I.lv average.

    But again... adding something in its place should be a must, we don't need the entire game now boiling down to 3 off stats instead of 4... its bad enough stuff like DET/CRIT/Skill speed already offer such minuscule boosts that they're essentially unnoticeable. At least accuracy had an appreciable impact.
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    Last edited by BlaiseArath; 05-04-2015 at 12:28 PM.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    Also you have to remember, if Acc is removed, so is evasion which also removes certain skills (not all, but some). So it would be a little more than just making everyone hit their target.
    you don't have to remove evasion if you remove acc. these two stats have nothing to do with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    you don't have to remove evasion if you remove acc. these two stats have nothing to do with each other.
    Except they do. If you remove Acc its pretty much redundant on enemies. Always going to hit as it is. The same would probably be true the other way with monsters always hitting you, meaning your own evasion is a worthless stat.

    Now if acc is just tied to weapon only/ilvl in general thats a different story, but the OP is asking for the complete removal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    So you like missing, and passing on upgrades?
    Not an issue, because I never miss, and I never pass on upgrades. We all know what the endgame BiS sets look like based on the acc we need. It's out there for anyone to see. However, it's that climb up to that BiS set where you really have to plan things out and mix and match gear to have the best possible combination of stats available to you with your current gear. Without acc, gearing would be so completely mindless that the game may as well just auto equip gear upgrades and lock them in until the next upgrade, cause seriously, would you have to think about it? AT ALL? You are majorly overblowing the issue. But my favorite part is knowing, that no matter what you ever say, this thread will die and be forgotten, and they will NEVER change acc.
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    Content too hard? Too much rng? Too much effort for the item you want?

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