Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Konachibi]

I will pretend that the word immersion means 'enjoying'

Dunno why people don't focus on enjoyment factor like back in the day. If people became enthralled with FF7 it simply meant they were enjoying it, same with all other games. The second the word 'immersion' started flying around all hell broke loose and suddenly the enjoyable games which are still as enjoyable as ever aren't enjoyable because some nobody reviewer from a dumb game website decided to throw the word 'immersion' into the mix as a buzz-word.

I think if we just put the word 'immersion' behind us and just try to enjoy the game, it'll be a lot more fun, and suddenly all these things that mattered because of immersion won't matter anymore, because you're enjoying yourself.

Only problem is, in the process of talking about immersion, have made 'subjective' into a new buzzword.

[Bled]

I will pretend that the word immersion means 'enjoying'

Dunno why people don't focus on enjoyment factor like back in the day. If people became enthralled with FF7 it simply meant they were enjoying it, same with all other games. The second the word 'immersion' started flying around all hell broke loose and suddenly the enjoyable games which are still as enjoyable as ever aren't enjoyable because some nobody reviewer from a dumb game website decided to throw the word 'immersion' into the mix as a buzz-word.

I think if we just put the word 'immersion' behind us and just try to enjoy the game, it'll be a lot more fun, and suddenly all these things that mattered because of immersion won't matter anymore, because you're enjoying yourself.

Only problem is, in the process of talking about immersion, have made 'subjective' into a new buzzword.

Because we all have beliefs, values, ideas, nations, cultures, backgrounds, we all to an extent suffer from subjectivity. Thus i argue do we really know what objectivity is? What was it 4 years ago we thought that antimatter was impossible and all objective evidence pointed to something else, yet here antimatter is now. We as cognitive beings in this reality we perceive, are always in flux which makes objectivity as we see it subjective.

[Konachibi]

Because we all have beliefs, values, ideas, nations, cultures, backgrounds, we all to an extent suffer from subjectivity. Thus i argue do we really know what objectivity is? What was it 4 years ago we thought that antimatter was impossible and all objective evidence pointed to something else, yet here antimatter is now. We as cognitive beings in this reality we perceive, are always in flux which makes objectivity as we see it subjective.

Wouldn't objectivity be something like:

"I am sitting on a chair, this is fact, it cannot be interpreted in any other way"?

[Bled]

Wouldn't objectivity be something like:

"I am sitting on a chair, this is fact, it cannot be interpreted in any other way"?

well id have a plethora of quotes i could give you if i had my books with me, but the only one that comes to mind is "there are no facts, only interpretations." (Friedrich Nietzsche). You interpret your action as sitting but are you really sitting? kinda stems from the “why is there something instead of nothing? mentality. The same can be said for the chair where in Plato's Republic Socrates argues that the chair that we perceive and is crafted, is only a glimpse of what a chair really is. Everything in reality that we know is just a shadow of what it really is, as depicted in the Allegory of the Cave which is intended to fit with the sun and line (517b, Platos Republic).

Of course this is all deeply routed in philosophy and is viewed as highly skeptical today, but then again so are the terms subjective and objective which stem from philosophy and are still widely debated.

[Jynx]

I will pretend that the word immersion means 'enjoying'

To be immersed "As far as my common grasp of language runs" is to feel like "Part of the world"

While I'm sure you have said it before things like not eating, sleeping, and other mental/bodily needs are not met within the constraints of the game "Break immersion" they do to a point. But when you play a game you are willing to "Look past" a few things and the big differentiating factor is.

Where do we draw the line with our suspension of disbelief?

suspension of disbelief: Is mainly being able to look at a situation that is not realistic (IE: game physics being far from real world physics) When we accept that a punch can litteraly knock a orc a good 5 feet from where he was standing we are doing just that.

Some people can't get past the fact that you can instantly step on a airship and hop out the other end with little less than a cutscene, this is and still will remain where I "drew the line in the sand" I can get around Anima and it's limited quantities because it not only makes sense within the confines of the world, it has restrictions and consequences that are anchored within the realm of reason.

It's just my opinion and I'm willing to bend, but I wont deny that my "Immersion" doesn't hold up when I step on the airship with my pal and he is shouting at me that he is allready in gridania because he pressed the wrong travel button, instantly skyrocketing him from Limsa Lominsa to the forest days away. I'm not trying to live in the world, I just want the world to feel like a world and not a series of areas that you just dissapear and reapear in.

I've givin up on arguing the point because it's plain as day as what my vision for the system is. Unfortunatly for me it's not what everyone else wants and I need to be able to be flexible because not everything is going to go my way all the time. Hopefully a few things I yearn for will be added that other people might not like so I can sit on my high ground and laugh at the peons trying to clamor for change that wont happen.

Something like...only gaining your maps by walking places! Or...not being able to pigyback to aetherite crystals you have no clue where they are actually located because you haven't even stepped foot in the region let alone near the crystal. Content on airships that the "Quick ride" people miss out on, hell make it more likely to see this content if you ride the long ship more often!

There are lots of ways the developers can do this content and still give me a bone in the end, I just hope they deem some things that I yearn for as good ideas.