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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble View Post
    not sure how elitism aroused from the teleport threat...
    Elitism was brought up referring to me attempting to force my strong belief upon the people whos opinion differs.

    There is a reason why I feel so strong about my opinion, this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, this is for everyone in favor of having this skip travel option.

    Gennosuke elaborated earlier, I'm continuing.

    A MMORPG is a virtual game world that emulates aspects of a real world; An important pillar of a worlds characteristics, that define it, is it's vastness.

    Time, Speed and Distance are all relative in measuring how vast a world is.

    The Time it takes to travel a Distance depends upon Speed.

    Faster Speed = less Time over a distance, slower Speed = more Time over the same Distance. Distance, the only variable that remained constant, helps describe vast.

    Airships are a method of transportation the devs are invoking for a faster-than-walking means of traversing Eorzea distances. They help provide the feeling of a vast world.

    If the lore stated airships were an instant means of transportation, then I can't speak no more, but in keeping with the basic logic of an airship, it's supposed to take time. It justifies that space is actually being traversed. Wanting the basics of an airship is not shallow nor does it cancel out the possibility of adding further content to it.

    This option is saying...you don't have to spend time to travel between point a and point b, since it doesn't really exist, but you can travel this "mirage of a distance" if you want to. Taking away that distance is simultaneously removing the sense of vast in Eorzea. Kudos to the people who can comprehend how that can make some feel dumb if we actually don't skip it.

    Yes, we know it's a game & nothing is real, but for me trying to be immersed in a game world, this simply breaks it and the virtual game world illusion. For those wanting to just play a game, not so much at all. That is how having this option ruins it.

    It may not bother some peoples immersion, but you definitely can't say it shouldn't bother mine.

    I'm only keeping inline with what a MMORPG is supposed to be, a virtual game world with in-game time, the existence of traversable distance (be it Anima, chocobo, airship, walking) to substantiate its massiveness (thank you Rhomagus for the correction), weather changes, exotic creatures to fight and people to experience and have fun with.

    If I'm an elitist for trying to apply this....

    So be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobeto-Rin View Post
    Elitism was brought up referring to me attempting to force my strong belief upon the people whos opinion differs.

    There is a reason why I feel so strong about my opinion, this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, this is for everyone in favor of having this skip travel option.

    Gennosuku elaborated earlier, I'm continuing.

    An MMORPG is a virtual game world that emulates aspects of a real world; An important pillar of a worlds characteristics, that define it, is it's vastness.

    Time, Speed and Distance are all relative in measuring how vast a world is.

    The Time it takes to travel a Distance depends upon Speed.

    Faster Speed = less Time over a distance, slower Speed = more Time over the same Distance. Distance, the only variable that remained constant, helps describe vast.

    Airships are a method of transportation the devs are invoking for a faster-than-walking means of traversing Eorzea distances. They help provide the feeling of a vast world.

    If the lore stated airships were an instant means of transportation, then I can't speak no more, but in keeping with the basic logic of an airship, it's supposed to take time. It justifies that space is actually being traversed. Wanting the basics of an airship is not shallow nor does it cancel out the possibility of adding further content to it.

    This option is saying...you don't have to spend time to travel between point a and point b, since it doesn't really exist, but you can travel this "mirage of a distance" if you want to. Taking away that distance is simultaneously removing the sense of vast in Eorzea. Kudos to the people who can comprehend how that can make some feel dumb if we actually don't skip it.

    Yes, we know it's a game & nothing is real, but for me trying to be immersed in a game world, this simply breaks it and the virtual game world illusion. For those wanting to just play a game, not so much at all. That is how having this option ruins it.

    It may not bother some peoples immersion, but you definitely can't say it shouldn't bother mine.

    I'm only keeping inline with what an MMORPG is supposed to be, a virtual game world with in-game time, the existence of traversable distance (be it Anima, chocobo, airship, walking) to substantiate its massiveness (thank you Rhomagus for the correction), weather changes, exotic creatures to fight and people to experience and have fun with.

    If I'm an elitist for trying to apply this....

    So be it.
    You are an elitist just because your to selfish to understand that i and many others do not want to play that way. Thats why SE is giving options. Now we have your way and my way to travel. Thats the best option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNO View Post
    You are an elitist just because your to selfish to understand that I and many others do not want to play that way. That's why SE is giving options. Now we have your way and my way to travel.
    Couldn't have stated it better myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crica View Post
    Couldn't have stated it better myself.
    I saw some of your posts and they were well written as well ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNO View Post
    You are an elitist just because your to selfish to understand that i and many others do not want to play that way. Thats why SE is giving options. Now we have your way and my way to travel. Thats the best option.
    Some people do! I understand it's boring, you want to travel fast yadda yadda. You want more options. You already have that option. I actually play that way sometimes, it is called anima.

    So are you an elitist because your so selfish that you still want to have another way to instant travel, even after I explained how it's breaking immersion for some and you already have that option at your disposal?

    99 of them to be exact? Now who is selfish? The person who wants to keep immersion or the person who couldn't use their anima wisely and now wants to convert a ride into an instant transport for their personal time sensitive needs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobeto-Rin View Post
    Some people do! I understand it's boring, you want to travel fast yadda yadda. You want more options. You already have that option. I actually play that way sometimes, it is called anima.

    So are you an elitist because your so selfish that you still want to have another way to instant travel, even after I explained how it's breaking immersion for some and you already have that option at your disposal?

    99 of them to be exact? Now who is selfish? The person who wants to keep immersion or the person who couldn't use their anima wisely and now wants to convert a ride into an instant transport for their personal time sensitive needs?
    Answer: No he's not.

    I actually don't need to explain this. It is self evident and you should've realized this before posting.

    It's actually 100 anima as well, so ya, not exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomagus View Post
    Answer: No he's not.

    I actually don't need to explain this. It is self evident and you should've realized this before posting.
    What I'm saying is if I'm too selfish to understand that you want a certain play style, a style that I do understand because at times I do use anima. How is nobody else selfish if they can't realize the changes that having it as an option, is doing to the people who do see it as breaking immersion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomagus View Post
    Answer: No he's not.

    I actually don't need to explain this. It is self evident and you should've realized this before posting.
    You give great replies , long but well written replies. Do not waste your time answering him. Its below you. He asked who is selfish even tho im willing to keep his option? REALLY? that does not even deserve a reply from you. (or anyone esle for that matter.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DNO View Post
    You give great replies , long but well written replies. Do not waste your time answering him. Its below you. He asked who is selfish even tho im willing to keep his option? REALLY? that does not even deserve a reply from you. (or anyone esle for that matter.)
    DNO, just because "your allowing me" to keep the option, doesn't mean it's not breaking my immersion. It's taking my option to be immersed when you make traveling on an airship optional. I explained it already.

    Are you understanding me though? I mean really? Cause it does feel like I'm wasting my time now. Especially since out of all the transportation threads created, not one dev has intervened. lol that sucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobeto-Rin View Post
    DNO, just because "your allowing me" to keep the option, doesn't mean it's not breaking my immersion. It's taking my option to be immersed when you make traveling on an airship optional. I explained it already.

    Are you understanding me though? I mean really? Cause it does feel like I'm wasting my time now. Especially since out of all the transportation threads created, not one dev has intervened. lol that sucks
    Wanna know why devs don't respond?

    Because they read this and laugh loudly saying:
    "Why is this person asking us to remove EVERYTHING we're trying hard to put into the game, that has been asked for, for the sake of immersion when every other MMO already has it and they never get some whiney person griping that their mini-map/mount/transport/shoes/banana/hat/low crafting skill/fishing pole is ruining the games immersion?"

    THIS is why they do not post in here.

    If you want immersion, go dive into a swimming pool.

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