Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Jynx]

This is worse by actually removing a game mechanic. It solves nothing in terms of immersion and actually goes against the current lore. The airship should be more than just transportation, just like a truck can be utilized for more than transportation (haul, tow, etc.).

The airship being instant does nothing for immersion either, it litteraly is just as immersion breaking as a 0 anima warp. They can't explain away how two people board the same airship and arrive at a latter date. Unless they split the harbor to be able to dock two ships, one with jets and one thats moved by the sheer power of slowness.

Unfortunatly neither make sense... The airships are currently a redundancy that's not needed until they add content.

[Konachibi]

The airship being instant does nothing for immersion either, it litteraly is just as immersion breaking as a 0 anima warp. They can't explain away how two people board the same airship and arrive at a latter date. Unless they split the harbor to be able to dock two ships, one with jets and one thats moved by the sheer power of slowness.

Unfortunatly neither make sense... The airships are currently a redundancy that's not needed until they add content.

I can explain it.

Just hop into my airship moiunted crossbow whilst I point it at Gridania, and the truth shall be revealed.

[Bled]

I can explain it.

Just hop into my airship moiunted crossbow whilst I point it at Gridania, and the truth shall be revealed.

lol i will say this even though we have different views of the game you sure make it dam hard to not like your personality and sense of humor +1

[Konachibi]

lol i will say this even though we have different views of the game you sure make it dam hard to not like your personality and sense of humor +1

When you spend 5 years doing your damnest to keep a happy and care-free view of a game like Warcraft whilst at the same time being bombarded by insults from every side of it's community just because you decided to be a fire mage, you eventually learn to respond to everything in a light-hearted and humorous tone.

So instead of poking at the broken parts of the game with an angry stick, it's more fun to find some silly comedy means to explain that it is not broken, it simply works in a way you never thought of.

[Bled]

When you spend 5 years doing your damnest to keep a happy and care-free view of a game like Warcraft whilst at the same time being bombarded by insults from every side of it's community just because you decided to be a fire mage, you eventually learn to respond to everything in a light-hearted and humorous tone.

So instead of poking at the broken parts of the game with an angry stick, it's more fun to find some silly comedy means to explain that it is not broken, it simply works in a way you never thought of.

I agree and i too try to fill the gaps in with a shrug or a laugh, however there's nothing wrong with wanting this game to aspire to great heights. I have played FF since 1 on the Nintendo when i was 4 so call me a fan boy or not i have great expectations and traditional game formula expectations making me bi-est to a degree. But that's why I'm here i have hopes that all problems will get hammered out in a year or two!

[Konachibi]

I agree and i too try to fill the gaps in with a shrug or a laugh, however there's nothing wrong with wanting this game to aspire to great heights. I have played FF since 1 on the Nintendo when i was 4 so call me a fan boy or not i have great expectations and traditional game formula expectations making me bi-est to a degree. But that's why I'm here i have hopes that all problems will get hammered out in a year or two!

I understand, I too am biased towards wanting to see this game aspire to many things. I enjoy it's gameplay, I enjoy it's graphical quality, I enjoy the complexity of crafting, and the wonderfull music, and being able to finally play as a cat-girl on an mmo that isn't old, dead or empty.

I too also posses most Final Fantasy games, even going so far as to hunt down a re-release copy of Ehrgeiz that came with the 'dungeon crawl' addition, because I am rarely dissapointed with a Squaresoft/Square Enix game (Final Fantasy 12 being the only one I can actually think of) so I put faith in their ability to not only fix this game but boost it to new levels. (I did in fact buy Final Fantasy XI on release day in the U.K, however I didn't write down my Play Online ID number and a week after installing it I had to format my computer, rendering me incapable of continuing to play it, and I couldn't find it in stores anymore to buy another copy, nor did I want to at the time as I was still using a good old 56k modem and the game was just plain lag)

However given that certain elements of the game aren't going to be fixed for a while, it's easier to poke fun at it than to say "It's ok, don't worry, give it about a year and they'll fix it." because that tends to only infuriate them more.

[Quanta]

I can explain it.

Just hop into my airship moiunted crossbow whilst I point it at Gridania, and the truth shall be revealed.

The mass relays are truly the most incredible achievement the people of Eorzea have ever made.

being bombarded by insults from every side of it's community just because you decided to be a frost mage in PvE

FTFY

[Konachibi]

The mass relays are truly the most incredible achievement the people of Eorzea have ever made.

*Game uses jedi mind trick on you*

*You now think you have instantly moved from Ul'dah to Gridania, when in reality you have been staring at the T.V screen for the last 5 minutes like a zombie*

[Gennosuke]

I really do find this mind boggling, that this debate is still going on when the issue is much simpler than these arguments are implying. Fact is, People can beat around the bush all day long with their own choice of interpretation for terms like Immersion to suit their side of the argument.

We need some common ground.

Here's an attempt at explaining this issue in layman's terms..

Airships are being introduced to shorten the time-span of travel between cities, very much the same way Chocobos are being introduced to shorten traversing the lands of Eorzea.

Example of pre-patch 1.19 vs 1.19:

Running from Uldah to Drybone takes about 8 mins.
Chocobo alleviates/shortens the time to 4 mins. - Great! Makes sense.

Running from one city to another takes 20 mins.
Airship alleviates/shortens the time to.. 0 mins. - Grea...Huh!? Wait a sec.. 0? What? How? Why? Shouldn't it be like 5 mins? No.. This does not make sense.

You don't see anything wrong here? Airship isn't shortening the time-span, it's removing it all together, this isn't just harming the game balance, it's illogical, irrational and it beats the very purpose of an Airship. It's a ride which you're neither experiencing by cutting it out, nor is it shortening the travel time to something reasonable to reflect an Airship ride in the context of Distance to Time ratio. This is not a teleport, it's not meant to be instant like one, regardless of whether you enjoy the ride or not, and let me add, complaining that the ride is boring is a valid complaint and point by all means, in which case.. we should request the ride to be an enjoyable and fun experience with different types of dynamic content, that would be the solution to the prob, not removing the ride all together, ignoring game principles for your personal convenience and instant gratification. This is an MMO where Space, Distance, Time and last but not least Patience is needed for the game to be complete.

Let's put this anther way, Would it make sense if Chocobos had the option to insta-port to camps?
No it wouldn't. This is precisely the same concept, I could argue that a Chocobo ride is a time-sink that i'd prefer not to waste time through because i could use that boring travel time to do things more important to me.
The fact is, it will break the game in every sense, shape and form. If you think otherwise, you are simply being irrational and i would be inclined to say you're playing the wrong genre. This is no console game where you're personal convenience is a priority. There is an overall balance needed for the game to function correctly and give a sense of realism.

Be sensible about this. This is not about personal gain, this is about keeping the game a pleasant rational experience overall. If you have a such a huge problem investing 5 mins into a ride which would have been 20 mins otherwise, i can't help but wonder if you're playing the right genre with how impatient you are.

In conclusion, I'll say it again..

Let the ride be a ride.. and let the Teleport be a Teleport.

[Konachibi]

I really do find this mind boggling, that this debate is still going on when the issue is much simpler than these arguments are implying.

We stopped debating a page or two back. Now we're using the thread to joke about how silly the debate was.