Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Jobeto-Rin]

I couldn't do all that quote stuff so I just bold my original quote and red is Rhomagus response.

"So, ultimately at the nadir, isn't every last one of us immersed?" Yes to some extent


To some extent?
You are either immersed/involved or not. Your playing the game or your not. Period
There is no gray. You are still being immersed into it. We all are being immersed, the only difference is our level of it. That is the point being made.

"Just by choosing to log in there is a level of immersion that is required of the user, but that's the base of it."

There you said it for me. That's all I needed to read. Any level of immersion is now subjective.

"Only the level of it and feelings are" The level of it and feelings are. I don't think only though. As some people don't move beyond the "hook"..

Just because the "hook" wasn't enjoyable enough, does not mean they're not immersed. It means they're not enjoying the immersion that the game "hook" provides. That is what's subjective. We are being immersed into FFXIV, regardless. the level of it depends on the person. Therefore reducing things to accommodate for the people who are less immersed is taking away from the people who are. Options on airship rides is an example, because traveling is important to immersion. Explained below.

"Love or lump your version of immersion," Not to be off topic but I found this sentence beautifully poetic. I don't understand the phrase "love or lump" but I'll assume that it's akin to "love or loathe"

Yes, it's equivalent to that, lol thank you. I'm into poetry and have intermittent urges to rhyme. They overtake me at times.

"who have a higher level of immersion than most, and reducing our overall fun and experience."
But you aren't them. You can be only you. Only you can experience your experiences.

The same can be said about you and your experiences. If I can't speak for others, how can you?

"Travel means traversing distances, recognizing and feeling distance substantiates massiveness."
But it's wholly unnecessary to completely base your immersion on it.

Yes it is necessary! In order to feel distance you have to travel it. Movement is needed to justify going somewhere. No shortcuts. You take away a vital component to making an imaginary world large. If you see a long long long hallway and a door at the end, your probably going to think, "damn thats a long ass hallway." So you walk and you walk and you walk and you walk until arrival. That walking substantiates it, not only in your mind but also body wise, that you went somewhere because it took time to get there. Now if you see a button on the wall that says skip, press it and then your at the door. More than likely your going to be like "Well damn, that wasn't too far". The necessity, the need, the requirement to move long distances justifies massiveness. Without it there it remains only a mirage. That's messed up a virtual world mirage? Jesus.

As shown by another poster in this thread. We don't watch a character sleep for 8 hours.

There are different ways to immerse someone in a game, that is a different type of immersion tact. It's not affected by airship rides. The immersion type I'm referring to is relevant to the feeling of the size this world. The main thing being effected.

I argued teleportion should be at aetherytes only. I failed to show why. Now this? No freaking way. Leave us our airships. You guys have anima to use wisely! Please. These things are ruining the experience for those who do become immersed in it at a high level.

and I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[Crica]

There are different ways to immerse someone in a game

I agree.

I prefer to be immersed in game play.

You prefer to be immersed in travel play.

Square has offered both preferences to us.

Instant travel for me so I can begin playing the game quickly - so the game is less boring for me.

Slow travel for you so you can travel for long periods - so the world feels large for you.

I won't ask Square to take away your preferred immersion if you stop asking Square to take away my preferred immersion.

Deal?

[Azurymber]

I agree.

I prefer to be immersed in game play.

You prefer to be immersed in travel play.

Square has offered both preferences to us.

Instant travel for me so I can begin playing the game quickly - so the game is less boring for me.

Slow travel for you so you can travel for long periods - so the world feels large for you.

I won't ask Square to take away your preferred immersion if you stop asking Square to take away my preferred immersion.

Deal?

so you'd be ok if i decided i wanted to be immersed by instantly getting all jobs to rank 50 and avoiding boring grinding?

[Crica]

so you'd be ok if i decided i wanted to be immersed by instantly getting all jobs to rank 50 and avoiding boring grinding?

Is it going to stop me from leveling my own jobs if I want to? No.

So why would I care?

[User201109011315]

Is it going to stop me from leveling my own jobs if I want to? No.

So why would I care?

Because it decreases the value of a level 50. It demerits the accomplishment. It diminishes the sense of achievement.

[Crica]

Because it decreases the value of a level 50. It demerits the accomplishment. It diminishes the sense of achievement.

For who? Me? No.

I play games to have fun.

If I am having fun leveling a job, why would it matter to me if you are not leveling a job?

[User201109011315]

For who? Me? No.

I play games to have fun.

If I am having fun leveling a job, why would it matter to me if you are not leveling a job?

Because I'm taking performance-enhancing drugs to best you in a sport you are playing. Anyway, I'm bored of talking about you now.

[Rhomagus]

Because it decreases the value of a level 50. It demerits the accomplishment. It diminishes the sense of achievement.

I already referenced this when I presented what my Nephew gets out of video games and what I get out of video games. Travel mechanics are also completely different than group based battle mechanics and economic mechanics. She was comparing apples and oranges, again, but Crica's viewpoint still stands as it's subjective.

[Jobeto-Rin]

You prefer to be immersed in travel play.

I won't ask Square to take away your preferred immersion if you stop asking Square to take away my preferred immersion.

I prefer to be immersed in this game, period.

Your "preferred immersion" options prevent that.

Why should I have to lower/sacrifice my level of immersion for your time's sake?

That is like watching a basketball game with only 2 quarters because people have no time to stay and view all 4.

I'm supposed to cut my enjoyment to 2 quarters because you don't have time?

Give me a break.

[Crica]

I prefer to be immersed in this game, period.

Your "preferred immersion" options prevent that.

Why should I have to lower/sacrifice my level of immersion for your time's sake?

I do not stop you from traveling slowly and becoming immersed in your slow travel when I travel fast.