Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[Xianghua]

Once again you are confusing time with difficulty . Traveling faster does not make the game instant easy mode.

Please stop using the "by your logic" people. Do you even realize that can be used both ways? Its a stupid concept to base any argument over. Do you even know why MMOs last a long time? Its not because of taking 10mins more to travel. Its because of well thought out content and Successful expansions. the more content they keep adding the longer the game will survive. WoW, EQ, and FFXI all would be dead right now if they didn't add the expansions to them. Other words saying that parts of the base game of an MMO is what keeps it going for 10 years is really ridiculous.

Some of your biggest flaws are your flawed assumptions and constantly using the "By your logic". Just because someone wants this doesn't mean they want EVERYTHING to be the same.

I love peanut butter. I eat it anytime i can. On some fruit, on some Veggies, with cookies, and with many things. to me it goes great with many things. But does that mean I want or think everyone should eat peanut butter with everything? of course not.

[DNO]

Once again you are confusing time with difficulty . Traveling faster does not make the game instant easy mode.

Please stop using the "by your logic" people. Do you even realize that can be used both ways? Its a stupid concept to base any argument over. Do you even know why MMOs last a long time? Its not because of taking 10mins more to travel. Its because of well thought out content and Successful expansions. the more content they keep adding the longer the game will survive. WoW, EQ, and FFXI all would be dead right now if they didn't add the expansions to them. Other words saying that parts of the base game of an MMO is what keeps it going for 10 years is really ridiculous.

Some of your biggest flaws are your flawed assumptions and constantly using the "By your logic". Just because someone wants this doesn't mean they want EVERYTHING to be the same.

I love peanut butter. I eat it anytime i can. On some fruit, on some Veggies, with cookies, and with many things. to me it goes great with many things. But does that mean I want or think everyone should eat peanut butter with everything? of course not.

Holy crap i been saying this allday to jynx im glad other people understand this.

[Gennosuke]

Once again you are confusing time with difficulty . Traveling faster does not make the game instant easy mode.

Please stop using the "by your logic" people. Do you even realize that can be used both ways? Its a stupid concept to base any argument over. Do you even know why MMOs last a long time? Its not because of taking 10mins more to travel. Its because of well thought out content and Successful expansions. the more content they keep adding the longer the game will survive. WoW, EQ, and FFXI all would be dead right now if they didn't add the expansions to them. Other words saying that parts of the base game of an MMO is what keeps it going for 10 years is really ridiculous.

Some of your biggest flaws are your flawed assumptions and constantly using the "By your logic". Just because someone wants this doesn't mean they want EVERYTHING to be the same.

I love peanut butter. I eat it anytime i can. On some fruit, on some Veggies, with cookies, and with many things. to me it goes great with many things. But does that mean I want or think everyone should eat peanut butter with everything? of course not.

Time is an essential part of the game, esp. so an MMO, you can't possibly deny that. You're not supposed to be anywhere at anytime, that as a game concept is more flawed than any logic used so far in the whole thread. Too hard to see?

"By your logic" is a very sound base for an argument because it introduces similar examples to what you are proposing and perhaps then you can see the flaw of your logic in the ideas you proposed, yes?

[DNO]

Time is an essential part of the game, esp. so an MMO, you can't possibly deny that. You're not supposed to be anywhere at anytime, that as a game concept is more flawed than any logic used so far in the whole thread. Too hard to see?

"By your logic" is a very sound base for an argument because it introduces similar examples to what you are proposing and perhaps then you can see the flaw of your logic in the ideas you proposed, yes?

Yes it still takes TIME to rank up to max. it still takes time to get HQ gear. it still takes time to craft. nothing is changed by a city to city airship the game has not changed. Time is essential for CONTENT not get to 3 places in the game. You still need anima for all camps there is not unlimited insta ship for Camp nine ivies or camp iron lake you will still need to waste anima or walk.

So your point again is flawed.

[Gennosuke]

Yes, surely the other aspects in the game still require the same time, i never argued that. but..

Time is essential for CONTENT not get to 3 places in the game.
So you point again is flawed.

I must disagree with you there. You can't dictate that my point is flawed because you simply disagree to it now, can you?
In my opinion and i'm sure i speak for others arguing for the immersive side, that An Airship ride should reflect the distance between one city and another by involving a time span in the ride itself. To me, it neither makes sense to click a button for an airship ride and instantly get to my destination neither does it add to the immersion or reality of the game. Yes, it's fantasy, yes it's a game, but there needs to be a balance and a line drawn somewhere.

Fair point? or you're gonna say it's flawed again because you disagree?

[Xianghua]

Time is an essential part of the game, esp. so an MMO, you can't possibly deny that. You're not supposed to be anywhere at anytime, that as a game concept is more flawed than any logic used so far in the whole thread. Too hard to see?

"By your logic" is a very sound base for an argument because it introduces similar examples to what you are proposing and perhaps then you can see the flaw of your logic in the ideas you proposed, yes?

/sigh ok then By YOUR logic everything that makes traveling or anything easier to do is simply turning the game into easy mode. So lets turn the game into hard mode. Get rid of parting make everyone have to solo everything in game. get rid of running and make everyone walk. Only make Linkshell members be able to talk to each other if in the same zone. Make everything in game 1% drop. Do you see how I used your same concept to point out your flaws? that's the reason it is a pointless base concept because it can be taken anyway. Taking 5 mins 1 min 1 sec 20mins to get to a single city does not completely kill the game, dumb it down, makes it easy or makes it hard you still have to run to your destination. Getting somewhere 5 mins faster simply will not change how long you play the game. Lack of content will change that. since you love this concept so much. By YOUR logic i can say that you think chocobo's and airships are already a horrible idea simply because you get to your destination much faster so dumb the game down and turns it into Easy mode.

[Gennosuke]

/sigh ok then By YOUR logic everything that makes traveling or anything easier to do is simply turning the game into easy mode. So lets turn the game into hard mode. Get rid of parting make everyone have to solo everything in game. get rid of running and make everyone walk. Only make Linkshell members be able to talk to each other if in the same zone. Make everything in game 1% drop. Do you see how I used your same concept to point out your flaws? that's the reason it is a pointless base concept because it can be taken anyway. Taking 5 mins 1 min 1 sec 20mins to get to a single city does not completely kill the game, dumb it down, makes it easy or makes it hard you still have to run to your destination. Getting somewhere 5 mins faster simply will not change how long you play the game. Lack of content will change that. since you love this concept so much. By YOUR logic i can say that you think chocobo's and airships are already a horrible idea simply because you get to your destination much faster so dumb the game down and turns it into Easy mode.

That is quite a perverse misrepresentation of my view, completely.

And i quote myself:

Yes, i agree to the point that the game should not have mindless time-sinks, and a current example of that i would definitely agree to is current state of the game where:

1) No chocobos to speed up movement around this massive world where you end up traversing the lands at a slow steady speed relentlessly.
2) No Airships, meaning you have to spend 20 mins running through Eorzea from one city to the other.

We are in agreement that game does need to keep convenience as a key factor. I am hardly against that. But requesting to keep a ride as short at 5 mins and having some flight times to simulate a real airship is purely an immersion and balance issue.

I am saying let's meet half-way, so both parties can be happy. It is neither inconvenient, nor does it kill immersion/balance.

Yes? No?

[DNO]

That is quite a perverse misrepresentation of my view, completely.

And i quote myself:



We are in agreement that game does need to keep convenience as a key factor. I am hardly against that. But requesting to keep a ride as short at 5 mins and having some flight times to simulate a real airship is purely an immersion and balance issue.

I am saying let's meet half-way, so both parties can be happy. It is neither inconvenient, nor does it kill immersion/balance.

Yes? No?

and you know SE is doing just that. By giving us the option to wait on the ship (as you request for your immersion) and giving us the option to skip is (by giving us our immersion)So why are you fighting SE and us to take away our option?