Does instant transportation effect game immersion?

[PrettyPrincess]

And there's no one forcing you to take those shortcuts if you don't like them. Why impose this misery on others?

This is what I dont understand. I AM DOING NOTHING TO HOW YOU ENJOY THE GAME WHY MUST YOU TRY AND RUIN MINE!?

[PrettyPrincess]

Deal with it

/sunglasses

[Jynx]

Deal with it

/sunglasses

You know sometimes I just wonder...I wonder if I'll ever get back that feeling I had from when I played XI for the first time.

I invested 7 years of my life into that game even when I was extremly busy with real life I always found time to log on at least once a week to just sit and chat with my linkshell. I made friends I thought I would never have, I still talk to many to this very day outside the game.

The only reason I found these people was the common thread that linked us together, we loved the game, and everything it offered. Their was always something to do, no matter how much you leveled or how much time you had. Their was always a area you have not seen, a NPC you haven't talked to, a map you never got, a friend in need!

XIV has none of this, it's a blind rush to the end and what awaits us at the end? Nothing.

Watching this video actually made me rather nostalgic, it's a shame XI isn't really the same game it was anymore either. I'm still willing to give this game time as I enjoy it for the time being, but I do hope that even at my slow and steady pace the game eventually becomes something that I am more actively interested in.

I wonder if people like you ever have experiences like this. I hope someday we can all enjoy our adventures in Eorzea and remember what it means to be an adventurer.

Oh, for Pete's Sake. You can walk! You can walk! You don't have to teleport. Have allll the fun you want walking.

You obviously don't understand or don't want to understand the point I'm trying to make. I've never said there should be no teleporting but you don't want to see past that so I'll just let it stay there.

You think I don't want people to ever be able to teleport then go ahead and think that. It's sad really.

[AmyRae]

You think I don't want people to ever be able to teleport then go ahead and think that. It's sad really.

Clearly you want people to walk more than they do (at a time when many people actually want to be able to teleport more than they can now with the 100 Anima restriction). What you want can be achieved without making any changes whatsoever. That's really the point I'm trying to make. If you're not having fun exploring the world more slowly it's because you choose not to. You don't have to force anyone else into it.

[Azurymber]

Clearly you want people to walk more than they do (at a time when many people actually want to be able to teleport more than they can now with the 100 Anima restriction). What you want can be achieved without making any changes whatsoever. That's really the point I'm trying to make. If you're not having fun exploring the world more slowly it's because you choose not to. You don't have to force anyone else into it.

by your logic over the last few pages:
you're basically arguing if people want to just instant transport everywhere we should let them, and others who want to experience the game can walk. you're saying its a choice....

So continuing along that logic, that choice is the best way for a game to be....

Lets give people the -CHOICE- to get whatever gear they want. People who want to play the game can raid for it, but lets just give everyone the ability to choose any gear.

Lets give people the -CHOICE- to choose their level. Why should I have to mindlessly grind my crafts all day for hours? I should have a level up button.

see where im going with this?

You say walking is a chore, but grinding crafts is WAY more of a repetitive chore than walking is. Same with soloing the same mobs over and over and over for hours.

You either have a game, which requires people to invest time
or you have a game where people -choose- what to do (ex. cheat mode always on)

How can you logically argue for a middleground?

[AmyRae]

by your logic over the last few pages:
you're basically arguing if people want to just instant transport everywhere we should let them, and others who want to experience the game can walk. you're saying its a choice....

So continuing along that logic, that choice is the best way for a game to be....

Lets give people the -CHOICE- to get whatever gear they want. People who want to play the game can raid for it, but lets just give everyone the ability to choose any gear.

Lets give people the -CHOICE- to choose their level. Why should I have to mindlessly grind my crafts all day for hours? I should have a level up button.

see where im going with this?

Yeah, you're distracting from the issue by making it seem more complicated than it is.

The issue is simply one of enjoying the journey. You would like to enjoy it, and I'm telling you there's absolutely nothing stopping you.

If you don't like teleporting, then don't. There's nothing standing in your way from moving around as slowly as you like. What does it matter to you how fast anyone else travels?

Your enjoyment shouldn't come from impeding others.

[Seif]

You know sometimes I just wonder...I wonder if I'll ever get back that feeling I had from when I played XI for the first time.

I invested 7 years of my life into that game even when I was extremly busy with real life I always found time to log on at least once a week to just sit and chat with my linkshell. I made friends I thought I would never have, I still talk to many to this very day outside the game.

The only reason I found these people was the common thread that linked us together, we loved the game, and everything it offered. Their was always something to do, no matter how much you leveled or how much time you had. Their was always a area you have not seen, a NPC you haven't talked to, a map you never got, a friend in need!

XIV has none of this, it's a blind rush to the end and what awaits us at the end? Nothing.

Watching this video actually made me rather nostalgic, it's a shame XI isn't really the same game it was anymore either. I'm still willing to give this game time as I enjoy it for the time being, but I do hope that even at my slow and steady pace the game eventually becomes something that I am more actively interested in.

I wonder if people like you ever have experiences like this. I hope someday we can all enjoy our adventures in Eorzea and remember what it means to be an adventurer.




You obviously don't understand or don't want to understand the point I'm trying to make. I've never said there should be no teleporting but you don't want to see past that so I'll just let it stay there.

You think I don't want people to ever be able to teleport then go ahead and think that. It's sad really.

I agree with everything you just said. People think they'll be happy if they get everything on a silver platter in an instance but this game isn't a Sims stuff pack. There is no reward in game if it's not attached to some kind of gameplay or challenge.

It's the game designers job to make us want and need the rewards not to just give everything because then there isn't anything to strive for anymore.

I don't consider maps or skills or teleports being given to us. If anything they've taken these carrots away and are now struggling to come up with rewards that are in any way meaningful to the player. You can only do a +1 gear upgrade so many times until you realize it doesn't change the way you pla the game at all.

[Altano]

Why did SE bother making an entire world if this is what it's going to anyway?

[Aenarion]

You know sometimes I just wonder...I wonder if I'll ever get back that feeling I had from when I played XI for the first time.

nope



at least not without some drastic and fundamental change in the way we play and interact with games/mmo in general.

you've grown up since your early days as an mmo gamer, expansive worlds are no longer something new, but rather the norm. I myself still look back on my early FFXI days with rose-tinted classes of nostalgia, but I know that those feelings of finding something so different and completely new isn't gonna come back, because, well, they're no longer different or new.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

You know sometimes I just wonder...I wonder if I'll ever get back that feeling I had from when I played XI for the first time.

I invested 7 years of my life into that game even when I was extremly busy with real life I always found time to log on at least once a week to just sit and chat with my linkshell. I made friends I thought I would never have, I still talk to many to this very day outside the game.

The only reason I found these people was the common thread that linked us together, we loved the game, and everything it offered. Their was always something to do, no matter how much you leveled or how much time you had. Their was always a area you have not seen, a NPC you haven't talked to, a map you never got, a friend in need!

XIV has none of this, it's a blind rush to the end and what awaits us at the end? Nothing.

Watching this video actually made me rather nostalgic, it's a shame XI isn't really the same game it was anymore either. I'm still willing to give this game time as I enjoy it for the time being, but I do hope that even at my slow and steady pace the game eventually becomes something that I am more actively interested in.

I wonder if people like you ever have experiences like this. I hope someday we can all enjoy our adventures in Eorzea and remember what it means to be an adventurer.




You obviously don't understand or don't want to understand the point I'm trying to make. I've never said there should be no teleporting but you don't want to see past that so I'll just let it stay there.

You think I don't want people to ever be able to teleport then go ahead and think that. It's sad really.

Wait wait wait. Is this really just you and a few others trying (again) to shove FFXIV in the tiny bubble that is your FFXI nostalgia?

First of all, this will never be achieved even if they tried. In cases like these one thing is always true: You were younger. 7 years ago you had a game that during that time made you feel good inside and now every game after that has to press up against that standard. Do you ever hear someone talk about how things were so much better way back when and how they dislike how it has changed then when socially they try to recreate that time only to have that person say that it isn't the same?

It's not going to be the same. So stop. It's a never ending spiral that won't stop til you accept that there is a change or another side to gaming now that developers need to conform and pay attention to.

Would it surprise you that I actually agree with having the airships become a true ride? Actually, I would very much like for the ride to not be skipped, but there is a difference between you and I. I'm not delusional and think that my voice can recreate my nostalgia and I, and from what I see thankfully many others, actually consider the other side. I think that is something that is really being argued more than the threat of player's immersion. The shortsightedness.