Should Alexander hard drop highest item level gear?

[Eidolon]

I pose a question in return. If you don't need the gear from Savage to down Savage, would you be interested in it? Why?

I pose a counter:

You get the gear that lets you faceroll it (Storymode/Tome) to make the content of Storymode/Tome easier.
You get the gear from Savage, to make it easier to get more gear from it. This is a logical progression, and it's exactly why the arguement of "Why are you interested in this gear if you can do it already?!" It's all about that optimization of our classes and being rewarded for performing.

[SDaemon]

I pose a counter:

You get the gear that lets you faceroll it (Storymode/Tome) to make the content of Storymode/Tome easier.
You get the gear from Savage, to make it easier to get more gear from it. This is a logical progression, and it's exactly why the arguement of "Why are you interested in this gear if you can do it already?!" It's all about that optimization of our classes and being rewarded for performing.

Exactly, people want better gear to make their characters feel progressively stronger.

[Eidolon]

Exactly, people want better gear to make their characters feel progressively stronger.

I believe this is where our opinions diverge.

You should not be as strong as someone who kills beastmen if all you ever do is fight Rabbits. Logical progression suggests that you woudl reach your platue. You might get really good at killing bunnies. But Beastmen are a whole different ballgame.

I like the way gear works on major patches (2.2/2.4) - You can buy the next "Step" of tome gear, but if you want the -best- gear (i120 vs i130), you needed to do Coil to get the best pieces. This made it so that people weren't prevented from buying Tomestone gear and could progress (awesome) while keeping the players who did the hard content advancing/progressing at a decent rate (rewarding and awesome.)

Won't deny putting it on WoD/Hunts helped me out for gearing some of my classes, too, though. :3

[SDaemon]

Kill 5000 rabbits vs 1 beastman. The Tome gear is locked behind a low weekly cap for a reason on top of the once a week lock out for the upgrade. Raid content always has superior gear for the large majority of the raid's life. Then the major patch reset happens and they are back to having the superior gear for several more months.

[Eidolon]

Kill 5000 rabbits vs 1 beastman. The Tome gear is locked behind a low weekly cap for a reason on top of the once a week lock out for the upgrade. Raid content always has superior gear for the large majority of the raid's life. Then the major patch reset happens and they are back to having the superior gear for several more months.

Over exaggeration does not suit your arguement.

Expert roulette gives 75 Poetics per day. 40 minutes each. Capped within 6 days.
Coil takes 1 hour once mastered, and multiple hours per week to learn for many.

At best, you could argue 6 rabbits to 1 beastman. but this subject is getting slightly off course now.

[SDaemon]

Over exaggeration does not suit your arguement.

Expert roulette gives 75 Poetics per day. 40 minutes each. Capped within 6 days.
Coil takes 1 hour once mastered, and multiple hours per week to learn for many.

At best, you could argue 6 rabbits to 1 beastman. but this subject is getting slightly off course now.

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

[Eidolon]

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

But you're missing the original point of the "Silly" (I kinda like it 'cause it makes sense) arguement. And that was that the players clearing coil DO need the gear. To make their runs easier. To make the next step of each fight more consistent. To progress. Just because you don't need it to clear, doesn't mean it isn't something you need to progress.

Just like it would be silly not to give gear for those completing dungouns. They need gear to clear dungouns. But does it need to be -just as strong- as the gear that comes from raiding?

[Teuciont]

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

The comparison was more or less spot on. There's a pretty drastic difference between being able to maim something that poses no challenge and something that's on more than equal footing with you. The fact that you're able to receive the same reward for killing any amount of metaphorical rabbits would imply that you're on the same level as someone who can slay a Beastman.