Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Asierid]

As a tank, you tank. Nothing more, Nothing less. You don't become the "leader", you don't become the new dictator of the world. You get to hold mobs and get punched in the face. The fact that you have heavy armor and can tank means nothing, you would be dead without the healers to keep you alive or the dps to actually kill something.

So while those people in the dungeon were being asshats, the whole other part of this thread is irrelevant because it just isn't now the "party" system works; it has never worked that way since online rpgs decided to use the trinity. Teamwork dictates the strategies to win. Decisions are to be made as a team. Does the team fail to meet these expectations? Leave it then. Just ends up being a waste of time anyway. You set the pace of these decisions, nothing more.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

[Adire]

So SE implied that tanks are entitled, therefore dps should not act like they are? You clearly are missing the irony.

Am I missing the irony, or are you missing the point?

Did SE not build tanks to be the best suited to pulling?

Did they not build tanks to go first into mobs?

I see them doing that all the time, when dps do it they get fussed at, laughed at if they die, or things get crazy for a bit.

SE implied for tanks to be the rightful tiebreakers by giving them the best ability to do so. Overall community approval of tanks pulling vs disapproval of DPS pulling reinforces that, as does the fact that tanks are best built to pull.

You can keep calling it ironic and ignoring these points, plus the fact that I've said I am the same way as a DPS (i.e. I leave it up to the tank to decide what to do), and the fact that I've said I do clears if people act like decent human beings or outnumber me if you want though, but it's becoming like a broken record now.

[Spawnie]

i dont think calling them entitled is fair.. if joined by DF then thier feelings on how a run should work should be taken into account do a vote if need to..

saying tanks have the right to determine how a run should work is just ._. what if its a healer wanting no mobs excluded?? can only imagine the rage tanks throw at healers if they decide not to heal them... and yeah ive seen some very rude tanks abusing healers for no reason at all so that scenario wouldnt surprise me at all

without healers tanks are just cannon fodder so calling dps entitled is laughable since some of the tanks commenting attitude screams entitled aswell

[Adire]

i dont think calling them entitled is fair.. if joined by DF then thier feelings on how a run should work should be taken into account do a vote if need to..

saying tanks have the right to determine how a run should work is just ._. what if its a healer wanting no mobs excluded?? can only imagine the rage tanks throw at healers if they decide not to heal them... and yeah ive seen some very rude tanks abusing healers for no reason at all so that scenario wouldnt surprise me at all

without healers tanks are just cannon fodder so calling dps entitled is laughable since the OP attitude screams entitled aswell

If said healer asked me nicely and the group was okay with it, I'd do a clear same as if it was a dps.

Still think I'm entitled?

My OP was about breaking a tie and dealing with someone making demands of me, refusing reasonable compromise, and believing his and his friends' personal rights instead of a jobs' inherent implied rights were superior to mine and my friend's.

The "dps plea" part was just a general thing for people like him to hopefully read.

[Spawnie]

If said healer asked me nicely and the group was okay with it, I'd do a clear same as if it was a dps.

Still think I'm entitled?

My OP was about breaking a tie and dealing with someone making demands of me, refusing reasonable compromise, and believing his and his friends' rights were superior to mine and my friend's.

apologies i was thinking of another persons post below yours lol P ill fix it XD

[StouterTaru]

Am I missing the irony, or are you missing the point?

Did SE not build tanks to be the best suited to pulling?

Did they not build tanks to go first into mobs?

I see them doing that all the time, when dps do it they get fussed at, laughed at if they die, or things get crazy for a bit.

SE implied for tanks to be the rightful tiebreakers by giving them the best ability to do so. Overall community approval of tanks pulling vs disapproval of DPS pulling reinforces that, as does the fact that tanks are best built to pull.

Yes, you are clearly missing the irony. You say this one dps acted entitled, while adding that SE implied that the tank is the entitled party member.

[Adire]

Yes, you are clearly missing the irony. You say this one dps acted entitled, while adding that SE implied that the tank is the entitled party member.

You're clearly missing the point, and not responding to my points.

SE gave me (tanks in general) the tools to do pulls the most effectively and to go first into mobs, and therefore the preference that we make the call in a tie. DPS and healers doing it ends badly. When he went ahead with the healer to try without me, they died horrible deaths.

And again, when treated like a human being or outnumbered, I give people what they want. When I'm a dps, I let the tank make the call. So I'm entitled eh?

I rest my case.

Please, do continue to twist my words though.

apologies i was thinking of another persons post below yours lol P ill fix it XD

No problem! It happens.

[SecretCrowds]

All these pointless arguments wouldn't have happened if you didn't use the word "entitled" in your OP. You just needed to have said that if someone wants to request something, they should ask politely. That would have brought your point across without all these "entitlement" arguments.

Which is true for any case. If you want something, no matter whether you are tank, healer or dps, just ask politely.

It is in the nature of tanking that tanks get the final say in deciding the pace of the party. There is no entitlement in that but just what that role entails. If a healer or a dps wants to request to go faster or slower, there is also no entitlement in that. That's just personal preference. What matters is how you go about asking it. And I will say that most people seem to be lacking manners on the internet nowadays.

[Asierid]

You're clearly missing the point, and not responding to my points.

SE gave me (tanks in general) the tools to do pulls the most effectively and to go first into mobs, and therefore the preference that we make the call in a tie. When he went ahead with the healer to try without me, they died horrible deaths.

And again, when treated like a human being or outnumbered, I give people what they want. When I'm a dps, I let the tank make the call. So I'm entitled eh?

I rest my case.

Please, do continue to twist my words though.

You're still wrong. We're they assholes? Yes. Your opinion on tanks? Wrong. I really don't feel like repeating what is common sense. Read my last post.

[synesthetic]

Not reading the drama in this thread. Just adding my own story.

I was once in an AV where three of us were Lv.50, and the last guy wasn't even level synced.
That one guy was mad that we weren't killing everything and, in all seriousness, said that we were all there to get him experience. He then called -all- Lv.50's stupid when one of us three disagreed with him by saying we're only there because of Zodiac.

\o/